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Clayton should win the Cy Young Award.  Matt Kemp is a stud.  I love Adrian Gonzalez.  Hanley Ramirez could be really good or really bad.  Surgeries.  Trades.  Free Agents.  Carl Crawford?  Who knows?

There are lots of questions.

I am going to take some time off.

Continue to post.

I’ll weigh in later.  No promises how soon.

I am hopeful, but I am not as optimistic as some of you.

The Dodgers have challenges.

Money doesn’t buy everything!

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44 Responses to “Pause…”

  1. Rob says:

    Thanks for the work mark. I really enjoy posting here and it helps venting and celebrating with true fans.

  2. JOSEPH OLIVAS says:

    rob said it best

  3. Ken says:

    Kemp to have surgery Friday. Out 4 – 13 weeks

    Other than the boatload of dodger surgeries few other meaningful events will happen until after the WS is over.

  4. Dodgerdog says:

    One of the keys for me will be what happens in Hanley’s exit interview. Will he say he wants to be the SS next year or will he pull a Miguel Cabrera and offer to move to/commit to playing 3B. I don’t really have a problem with him wanting to stay at SS IF he is willing to put in the work to improve his defense. I think it would be better if he moved to 3B and let Gordon play SS. One thing I think needs to be decided this offseason is who will be in RF in three years Ethier or Puig? If the answer isn’t Ehtier should we should trade him now and resign Victorino. Could we get a James Shields from Tampa or Mike Olt and others form Texas. I way Shields because I just can’t see Tamp trading Price, but I didn’t think Boston would trade Gonzalez either. I agree with somebodies earlier commnet about bringing Jaramillo (sp?) as the hitting coach.

  5. Gionfriddo says:

    Dodgerdog, great post and I agree with everything you said. Will Hanley, if asked, or even on his own, move to 3B?? I hope he sees what might be best for the team (having a successful Gordon @SS and leadoff makes this a scary team).. whether Gordon takes the next step in his development and becomes the player we all WANT him to be is an entirely different topic.

    Bringing in Rudy Jaramillo would be a huge coup for Colletti and company. He is THE best hitting coach (currently unemployed too) in the game and has been for over 20 years…

  6. Bobbie17 says:

    Mark Timmons: Thank you. It has been fun and enlightening. Keep it up.

  7. Badger says:

    Great point re Jaramillo. We have discussed Hanley to third before and I think most of us agree the move makes sense but raises a Cruz question for me.

    Kemp having surgery? That tells me something.

    I believe the core of this lineup understands clearly what is at stake here.

    Where is Gordon playing this winter?

  8. Roger Dodger says:

    The Dodger outfield is interesting.

    Crawford is supposed to be ready in like May or something. Is supposed to be some overweight now, but not sure what that means and how he is dealing with it.

    Key for me: the Dodgers need to have an extra centerfielder on the final 25 next April 1. Kemp might go down again or need some relief now and then. Crawford, Ethier are not centerfielders. Neither is Rivera nor Van Slyke nor Abreu . . . But if they sign Victorino – he could do that job, but then he battles Crawford for playing time– unless Ethier is traded. That would leave Crawford, Kemp, and Victorino in the outfield needing a good 4th outfielder.

    Castellanos looked good that cup of coffee he had yesterday.

    Sands is gone, correct???

  9. Badger says:

    “Is supposed to be some overweight now”

    Not really Roger. That was a misinformed posters opinion, not fact. I wouldn’t be the least bit concerned about Crawford’s physical condition. He ain’t the Panda. He actually, in truth, is a work-out warrior.

    Right now, I don’t see Ethier being traded. He is actually a good fit in this outfield, being a solid on offense AND defense. He had a WAR of 3.5 and an oWAR of 3.1 this year. Victorino? .3 oWAR and 1.0 WAR. Victorino would be an excellent back-up outfielder on this team, giving all three starters some valuable time off during the year. I doubt he will see it that way, but that’s the way I see it.

    Sands? You can find him at the beach.

  10. Bobby says:

    Not sure what dream world some of you live in where Shane Victorino would accept a backup role here (well he’d start for a month), when he can go elsewhere for at least 3 yrs and a starting job.

    Thanks for the website Mark. We all enjoy gettin on here and pretending we know more than anybody else in the world. The offer still stands; when you’re in LA, I’ll buy drinks as a thank you.

  11. Badger says:

    Who said Victorino would accept a back-up job here? I think we all know he likely won’t, but, what if he can make starter money here? Heck, give him more money than anyone else will and who knows? His WAR suggests he is only worth $5 mil a year. All GM’s know that.

  12. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    I don’t know if Victorino would accept the role of a 4th outfielder. But I also don’t know what kinds of offers he’s likely to get over the winter. Given that our ownership has a little money, it may be conceivable that they’d offer him a multi-year contract large enough to have him consider returning as a 4th outfielder who would get significant playing time covering for Crawford early in the year, and as a sub in all three outfield posts throughout the rest of the year. Our ownership has money, and may reason that it’s not a bad idea having a 4th outfielder with the skills of a starter. If Victorino can’t break the bank going somewhere else, he might be willing to play for a team he considers a winner, as long as he gets, let’s say, 300 ABs. Might work, might not.

    I don’t know if the Dodgers are considering a trade that involves Ethier. But if they do trade him, they had better have a plan to replace his bat. If Josh Hamilton becomes a free agent this winter, then perhaps he might be considered by the Dodgers. I know that he has issues. However, if after serious due diligence the Dodgers decided to pursue him, then trading Ethier becomes a lot more palatable, and would likely get the Dodgers a decent return. Something to consider at least.

    “Clayton should win the Cy Young Award. Matt Kemp is a stud. I love Adrian Gonzalez. Hanley Ramirez could be really good or really bad. Surgeries. Trades. Free Agents. Carl Crawford? Who knows?”

    Pretty much agree with those sentiments, especially the words at the end. “Who knows?” We don’t know, and for sure there will be some surprises. Maybe a lot of surprises. But whatever the case, I believe the Dodgers will be active this winter. At least with this ownership there is hope. And that’s really all I need.

    Enjoy the time off Mark. But I suspect that you won’t be away from this site too long. Sooner or later you’ll get the itch, and start scratching.

  13. Jas says:

    I saw the Red Sox play the.game where Crawford just came back from injury and be looked pretty portly to me then.

    • Ken says:

      Empirical evidence is not sufficient for some people :)

      • Badger says:

        Empirical evidence?

        You either don’t know the meaning of the word or you have seen Carl Crawford in person lately.

        Which is it?

        • ken says:

          “Empirical evidence” is a phrase. :)

          I have confidence that the “NEW” butt kicking Ned will impose a “Uribe” weight limit on Crawford, and a few others, and therefore whatever his weight is today is not relevant and that any dodger that shows up over weight or out of shape in the Spring will be provided an individualized extra workout program or be told to sit on the bench.

          Ned wants extra players in order to create competition and the Crazy Googenhiems have the money to allow Ned to implement his strategy.

          I have confidence that this will be a special off season and most, if not all, of the dodgers will have a great off season.

          Maybe Gordon should play LF in winter ball becaue that is the only posision that might be open during April 2013. Ok, lets not try to imagine Gordon as the backup catcher. :)

  14. Kris says:

    Mark,

    Enjoy your time off and come back. This is the Dodger site at the top of my reading list everyday.

    Agree on Victorino as the super sub next year if he buys into it. I think he’d get significant ABs and playing time judging by the OF injuries this year.

    One name I have not seen here is Josh Johnson – read an article that implied Marlins may have another fire sale.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Thank you for all your post and wish you all the best!!!!

  16. Ken says:

    Victorino
    During Crawford Rehab 60 games
    Sub for Crawford 15 games
    Sub for Ethier 10 games
    Sub for Kemp 4 games
    Total starts = 90 games

    Victorino says “Not enough”

    Victorino’s agent listens to offerrs and says

    “Not enough”

    Then maybe Victorino’s agent comes back to the dodgers?

    • Badger says:

      Crawford out 60 games?

      • Ken says:

        Just a scenario showing low probabilty of Victorino being resigned. Even with 90 games he will probably say no.

        I am ok without Victorino coming back.

        I think that realiable starting pitching is a much higher priority.

        • Badger says:

          I am ok with Victorino leaving too. It’s easy for us as Dodger fans to see how good a fit he is here. But I would not blame him if he looked elsewhere, or took less to start somewhere else. Like Philadelphia. Or Boston since they have so much payroll room right now. Victorino had a 2.8 WAR in ’10 at age 29, a 5.2 WAR at age 30 and a 1.3 WAR at age 31. What would be your guess at his production at age 32 through 36? He made $7.5MM in ’11 and $9.5MM in ’12. If anyone is willing to give him a 5 year deal for anywhere near 9 mil per he should jump all over it. Somebody might because you see things like that every year. I would do $6.75MM per for 3, with bonuses and an option. I don’t think he ever gets close to a 5 WAR again. I think what he did this year is what he will do, or average, for the next 3 years, and that is worth $6.5MM per. He only hit .245 for us. I also think, well, I already said what I think, Shane Victorino, at age 32-36 would be an excellent back-up for the Dodgers in case something like what happened this year happens again in the next 3 years. The Dodgers had 2 All Star outfielders out due to injury this year. What are the odds Crawford, Ethier and Kemp all play 150+ games next year?

          My guess is he goes back to Philly.

  17. SCDodgerfan says:

    It appears that almost everyone is just assuming that Crawford will be back to his form of 3-4 years ago and plan to just hand the LF job to
    him. The past two years he hasn’t been any better than Victorino. Would love to see Victorino with the Dodgers.

  18. Badger says:

    Dodgers in better shape than a year ago:

    http://www.ocregister.com/sports/colletti-373666-dodgers-free.html

    I don’t assume that SC. 4 years ago he was 27. I assume Crawford will be back in the lineup to start with, and on this team it would be fine with me if he hit second in the lineup with a .285 avg., a .350 OBP, a near .800 OPS and 90 runs scored. I believe he can still do that throughout the remainder of his contract. Overpaid for those numbers? Hell yes, but, aren’t a lot of them?

    What this Dodger team needs is the guys who are there to do what they are capable of doing and not try to do too much. We have several guys there that can hit 20+ home runs, knock in 90+, score 90+, and play reasonable defense. Like Ken mentioned, we need to add a bit to our pitching staff and we should be fine with this group as our core for 4-5 years.

    I like the look of this team and I think they will get better.

    • ken says:

      1. Crawford .300,10,70 – Can he return to his old form?

      2. Rameriz .325,15,85 – Will he revert to the high BA guy that Ned wants?

      3. Gonzalez .300,30,100 Just need that old Padre guy

      4. Kemp .330,30,120 – Just need 90% of 2011

      5. Ethier .280,30,100 – Can he hit LHP again?

      6. Cruz .280,15,85 – Can he avoid the sophmore jinx?

      7. Ellis .280,10,75 – Not bad for a catcher

      8. Ellis/Gordon .270,5,50 – Just try the platoon for one year.

      Now that has the potential for a great lineup

      With 5 starting pitchers with an average ERA of 3.25 and 6.33 innings per game, one real long reliever, resigning of League, and all of the players coming back healthy = a great team.

      Ned go get some more/better starting pitchers. (afer all this is a kid’s game)

      And high a performance coach just to be safe.

  19. Gionfriddo says:

    SC, this is simple logic here in relation to Crawford– the Blue owe him 102 million thru ’17. “Almost everyone is assuming he will be handed the job”– Do you really think anybody should assume that he won’t be handed the job once he returns? We can speculate if he will be ready by April or May; we can speculate if he will be the player he was from ’04 to ’10; However, once he’s ready and healthy, he WILL be our everyday LF. Lastly, as I posted awhile back, I was at Fenway the first week of August for 2 games (he had 6 hits in those 2 games) and 1.he did not look overweight to me & 2.he is still fast as hell. Badger had it right–from all reports, Crawford is a workout nut and the Tampa brass felt he had bulked up too much during his last couple yrs there– the overweight talk in here is misguided..

    IMO, Victorino is not going to be open to becoming a 4th OF who might get 300-400 ab’s assuming there’s an injury to another OF. It’s safe to say he is done as a Dodger and Ned and Co will look to the market as well as internally for a 4th and 5th OF…

  20. Bobbie17 says:

    Is VanSlyke done? We can’t throw him out yet, can we? How about an open Spring Training with people trying actually TO COMPETE FOR A JOB! Same with the pitchers.
    I think I’m the only one thinking farm system. Anyone else out there? What about the roster moves announced yesterday. What do they mean? I got the Red Sox part, but what about the others?

  21. ken says:

    My prediction is that if Mark will add a spell checker to this website then the DODGERS will win the World Series next year. :)

  22. Gionfriddo says:

    So, you are going to look at pics on the net and decide he is overweight because of your perception of those pics?? I suggest you post the other pics in that same gallery of Crawford as well.. I’ll go by what I saw with my own eyes in August when Crawford hit a ball just to the left of the Twins CF (don’t recall if it was Span or Revere) and never stopped running out of the box and got a leg double.. It was a ball that 90% of the guys in the bigs would have just taken a hard turn to draw a throw from the CF because they don’t have the speed to make that play– Crawford does..

    Crawford is not a small man (6’2,215) like most guys with his speed (Bourn, Ellsbury, etc).. This topic would be a moot point if not for his injury riddled ’11 & ’12 in regards to his weight. It’s no secret that after the ’09 season Crawford went hard in the weight room with his ’10 year being his walk year. Hence, the jump in HR in ’10 (19) and rbi (90).. One can argue that by seeking the huge pay day Crawford put too much muscle mass onto his frame in preparation for free agency.. His last 2 years in Beantown were bad simply due to the wrist and elbow problems.

    A healthy Carl Crawford that plays 140+ games for the Blue in ’13 will put up nice #’s– .285-.300, 12-15 HR, 60-70 rbi, 100 runs, 35 sb’s..

  23. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    The Dodgers are thinking farm system. But they’re thinking it long term, since, in fact, failure to replenish the system under McCourt left it seriously bereft of talent. There is plenty of empirical evidence for that. Now, of course, the new owners are beginning to invest big time in young talent, finally bringing the Dodgers back into the international market. However, the talent being signed is probably in the 16-18 year old range for the most part, so don’t expect any of those players to be ready anytime soon.

    There is some talent in the organization that might be able to contribute. But except for a pitcher or two, probably not in 2013. Van Slyke??????? I don’t think he’s as highly regarded around baseball as you think. Maybe he’ll turn out to be good, but maybe not. He’s about 25-26, and has been around a long time. Another Cruz? Maybe. But we don’t even know if Cruz is for real at this point. And I’m not interested in a recapitulation of Van Slyke’s ALBQ. numbers. Loney hit .380 in the PCL.

    The Dodgers will eventually rely heavily on their farm system. That’s why they’re beginning to invest so heavily in it. But for the immediate future, they need to rely on their ability to afford established big league talent to get the Dodgers through the next few years before the farm system begins to kick in big time.

  24. Badger says:

    friddo is right on. One picture, at a weird angle, is considered “empirical evidence” by a couple of people. Get real. Crawford will be playing every day some time in April.

    Van Slyke has been in the minor leagues for 8 years. Yes, he has pounded minor league pitching, but, isn’t it about time he did it at the Major League level? He might be worth something in trade to a team like Kansas City, but I don’t see him being the Dodgers 4th outfielder. This ownership group is going to be cutting loose those guys that just hang around. They are going after Major League players for the Major League roster. If Voctorino wants to be a part of this, then he will accept a role here. Otherwise, there are plenty of good 4th outfielders out there, guys like Tony Gwynn Jr. and Alex Castellanos.

  25. Gonzo says:

    If crawford is fat then I want to be fat just like him. I’m 6′ and weigh 215 and I dont look like that.

  26. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    B17, just a little more regarding the Dodger farm system you prize so much. I’m big on player development, and creating a strong pipeline of minor league talent. It’s the best way to build an organization in the long term. But that’s not what was bequeathed to our current ownership by Frank McCourt, who systematically destroyed what was once a very good farm system.

    Just received the current issue of Baseball America. These are the Dodgers who made it into their top 20 in each league.

    PCL: None

    Southern League: Allen Webster = #9, Zach Lee = #13

    California League: Joc Pederson = #3, Zach Lee = #5, Leon Landry = #15

    Midwest League: None

    Pioneer League: Corey Seager = #4

    Arizona League: Zach Bird (RHP) = #19

    Nothing in AAA, and only Webster and Lee at AA.

    This was not a system with loads of talent, and it wasn’t getting any better while McCourt was in town. So what did the Dodgers do? They traded #9 Webster and RDLR (who probably would have been high on one of these lists were he pitching in the minors this year), and in return got an All-Star first baseman, a solid starting pitcher, and an potential All-Star outfielder in Carl Crawford. Just Gonzalez alone would have been worth the price (unless you still hold out high hopes for Loney).

    At the same time they were trading some of these guys, the Dodgers invested $42 million in Yasiel Puig, about whom Baseball America quotes Ned Colletti as saying “We don’t have anybody in the system that can square a ball up like he does.” And Logan White is quoted as saying “(He) has the highest ceiling in the system.” According to the article Logan White says he has just 7 percent body fat on a 6-foot-2, 245-pound frame. About Puig, the article also says that “he also displayed an immaturity that is of concern to some in the organization. Puig needed seven seconds to stroll to first after hitting his first Cal-League single. After another hit, he took a wide turn and gestured toward the right fielder–who threw behind Puig and picked him off. And when an opposing manager got in an argument with an umpire, Puig, mimicked the ejection–just for laughs, he said.”

    And of course, there are the 25 or more international players that were signed this summer. No news from the Dominican Summer League where a lot of them probably played. But rest assured, although we don’t yet know their names, there are probably a few gems among them.

    And keep this in mind. Had this ownership been in place last winter, the deal with Boston may have never happened, and RDLR and Webster, and others would probably still be with the Dodgers. Why you ask? Very simple. Chances are that the deep pocketed Dodger ownership would have signed Prince Fielder, who would have been at first base all year, after getting a chance to become well integrated with his teammates during spring training. And of course, the Dodgers would have been in the market for C.J. Wilson instead of Capuano and Harang. And probably one or two others that I’m forgetting. The money you so detest would have been what could have saved the Dodgers from having to trade prospects. And it’s likely one or more of these deals would never have been made if the Dodgers knew that there was going to be a strong free agent market this winter. Since the market is relatively weak, they decided to do their shopping during the season.

    • Badger says:

      Good info Brooklyn. Guess BA doesn’t think all that much of our system. Neither do I. But I agree it will get better quickly.

      Another blown call in a crucial situation. Two things – I hate that tomahawk chant so I sure wont miss that and shame on those fans for such borish behavior. Yeah, it was a horrible call, but come on, boo loudly and call him names but you never litter a baseball field.

      Wonder how long it will take MLB to make its ruling in favor of the ump.

  27. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    I won’t get involved in the fat Crawford issue. I’ll just wait to see what I see next year. Until I see him with my own eyes (the only empirical evidence I trust), for now I’ll trust what Badger and friddo have to say, and leave it at that.

    • Jas says:

      You trust what they say because they say what you want to hear. I trust my eyes and I saw Crawford 4 times this year and several more last year. He’s heavier and not in shape, but believe what you want to hear if it makes you feel good, even if the people telling you have never seen him.

  28. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Badger,

    I know you’ve been wondering where Gordon will play this winter. From this, http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-1005-dodgers-20121005,0,3953938.story, it appears as if he will be playing in the Dominican Republic.

    And although I think Colletti is being accurate that the Dodgers will be looking for pitching, I don’t necessarily take anything else he says seriously. I doubt if he has any intention of showing his hand going into the offseason. Events and opportunities will likely be what drives his decisions.

  29. gionfriddo says:

    Brooklyn, thanks for the extra info on Puig.. I read the 7 second stroll he took to 1st in the OC Register when it occured but the other items are alarming to say the least. Hopefully, they have addressed these incidents with the young Cuban before it becomes a serious issue..

    IMO, had Victor Martinez not ripped up his left ACL during last winter, McJoke would have been able to sign Fielder (LA Times reported in Jan that LA offered Prince 7 yrs @ 160 mill).. Once Martinez went down, Mike Ilitch went crazy with Fielder for 214 mill… Don’t matter much at this point, we have A Gone– quite frankly, I prefer Gonzalez to Fielder. I would not want to worry about Fielders’ conditioning(or lack thereof) in the latter years of that contract..

  30. Ken says:

    Rangers CHOKE :)

    Go Oakland and Baltimore.

  31. ken says:

    Braves CHOKE :)

    Welcome to HOF Chipper

  32. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    I recall the Dodgers losing out on Fielder due to the Martinez injury. However, I wonder if the Dodgers would have countered with a better offer, or simply would have offered more earlier, even before Martinez went down. We’ll never really know, but I suspect Fielder might have ended up in LA. I understand your preferring A-Gon, I do myself in a lot of respects. However, I think I would rather have Fielder and RDLR over just Gonzalez. In the end though it might just be six of one, half a dozen of the other. I’m happy with what actually transpired, and I’m hopeful going ahead that the Dodgers are doing everything necessary to build a winner, and soon.

    As for Puig, I hope his immaturity is just that, immaturity. I imagine that these things have been addressed privately. Guess we’ll know soon enough. By the way, maybe we should study a picture of Puig and his 7% body fat, and see if we can find any empirical evidence of obesity.

    • Badger says:

      Puig sounds like a jerk. A jerk that can play baseball. Never heard of such a thing…. have you?

      I have been scouring the internet to see any pictures of Crawford … THIS YEAR…. and everything I see looks the same. Everything I read says the same too – that he is a work out and health food diet fiend and even when he was a three sport athlete in high school (Nebraska wanted him for football, UCLA for basketball) he always looked the same – kind of a round face.

      http://www.muscleprodigy.com/carl-crawford-workout-arcl-3211.html

      http://baseball.playerprofiles.com/sampleplayerprofile.asp?playerID=4904

      He allegedly still lives in Scottsdale and still works out at Atlethes Performance with owner Mark Verstegen. I am not sure what Jas and others “saw” this year that makes them think Crawford is fat, but the guy I have seen play baseball is a 215 pound speed talent that wins Gold Gloves, hits triples and steals bases. Even if he has slowed down at age 31 (which he really shouldn’t have that much – nt with his work out regimen) he is faster than anyone on our team outside of Gordon.

      Speaking of Gordon….. glad to hear he is playing this winter. I still have hope that he can learn how get on base. Gordon, Crawford, Kemp, Gonzalez, Ramirez, Ethier…… man that sounds like a monster lineup to me. Cruz at third and Ellis behind the plate gives this team a very solid lineup top to bottom. And for the record, I have no problem with Gordon at second base for a few years.

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