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Time of death: August 25, 2012

August 25th was a day of great celebration.  The Dodgers had done the UN-imaginable and traded James Loney, Ivan DeJesus,  Allen Webster, Jerry Sands and Rubby De La Rosa for Carl Crawford, Josh Beckett, Nick Punto and (Gasp) Adrian Gonzalez!  There was much joy in  LA that night.  Print the tickets was the mantra.  After all, the Dodgers had already traded for Hanley Ramirez, a former All-Star Short Stop.  All was good… and then the patient inexplicably “flat-lined.”

The Dodgers died on that date.  Why?  Only a full autopsy, which will take months can possible disclose the reason(s).  Perhaps it was a drug-induced coma or maybe an overdose of self-confidence.  Perhaps it was borne out of despair over gutting the farm system of  the following players:

  • Allen Webster
  • Rubby De La Rosa
  • Jerry Sands
  • Ivan DeJesus, Jr.
  • Josh Lindblom
  • Ethan Martin
  • Leon Landry
  • Logan Bawcom
  • Nathan Eovaldi
  • Scott McGough
  • Ryan O’Sullivan

Eleven players – many of the Dodgers TOP TEN PROSPECTS were traded along with James Loney,,, and the Dodgers heart and soul left their lifeless bodies – witness the remaining corpses.

What was the real cause of death?  I will await the autopsy, but it is one of the most befuddling things I have ever seen.

A lot of the blame has to go on the coaching staff.  Some heads have to roll and I suspect it will be a clean sweep this off-season.

Watch for lots of management and coaching changes.

The Big Dodger in the Sky is not happy!

This is the Season of the Living Dead in Dodgertown.

I pine for the good ole’ days of Frank McCourt.  ;)

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20 Responses to “Time of death: August 25, 2012”

  1. Ken says:

    Donnie D’oh!

    Ned will be extended. Stan can do most of Ned’s job and Ned will become somewhat of a figurehead and Stan’s gofor. Ned does not want to be fired. If Ned stays and performs a lower level of work he can pretend that all of the problems were caused by Frank. A way to save face.

    But you CANNOT do that with any of the coaches on the field. Who, no, how many coaches will not be rehired?

    The dodgers (refuse to capitalize anymore) MUST provide a sacrifical lamb to the players. DFA Uribe NOW! More players need to be let go early in the off season while the players are allgedly working out. They will have 5 months to cry and get over it!

    There is no reason to have Uribe on the team. His carreer is over. Unless of course he goes to team that has a hitting coach that can reach him. Nah, he is done.

    Sign two #3 and above free agent starting pitchers in the off season, temporarily stack the bullpen with long relievers, and trade one of the many #4 starting pitchers.

    The “Players” Coach is being played by prima donnas.

  2. Bobby says:

    Wow I forgot Uribe was still on this team! When was the last time he got into the game?

  3. Bobbie17 says:

    Because of the pitching, primarily, this team may be done for years to come. If a farm system player is not a pitcher, he will never wear blue in LA. Must be a nice feeling for those young, eager guys. The mind set for ownership, now, should be to be prepared to trade some of the newbies and eat salaries just to open up the big team for some younger players. This will never happen. No one wants to admit mistakes , especially when you don’t think you made any. How can any young player be committed to the Dodgers? He better be a pitcher. What are coaches in the farm system to do now; try to develop players for some other team, I guess. Now those coaches don’t have to any good because their players have little chance to play in LA.
    What a shame! Before the trades, Blue might have been on the right track with some long-term plan. Now what? Get rid of coaches, GM, etc.? That won’t help the team on the field. All the while, the Giants are laughing their way to the playoffs. Laughingstocks, they are.

  4. Gonzo says:

    If people realistically thought the Dodgers would cure everything with that trade they must have been delusional. I thought that they’d be more competitive but never once thought WS champs. Rome wasn’t built in one day and neither have these Dodgers. Again I’ll defer to Kasten’s long term plan.

    I still can’t believe that after being handcuffed by McCourt all those years and wishing the team could make these types of moves and now that they do, they are being criticized for how these moves are not paying off. There is always a risk making a major move. I am willing to give management the benefit of the doubt.

    The greater good will prevail and those that are chastising what has been done will be the first ones praising the team props and finding a spot on the band wagon. My opinion is that in the grand scheme of things the team and organization as a whole will come out on top. It’s not like the Fox regime where there was no true baseball man in charge i.e. Chip Carey.

  5. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Everything Gonzo just said.

    And those of you who think the Dodgers are gutting the farm system are simply delusional. A team that had no presence in the international market suddenly signs 25 or more international players, and some people can’t see that means the current ownership is RE-BUILDING and injecting life into the farm system, NOT gutting it. But I guess some of you have a problem relating to a bunch of currently nameless prospects (other than Yasiel Puig) who you haven’t yet gotten attached to. But that will change. And when you begin to see more an more prospects emerge over the next several years, and begin to relate to them, your song will change.

    Yes, it hasn’t looked good since that August 25th trade. But on that day the Dodgers sent a message that they’re in this thing for the long haul, and have the resources to give us what we were pining for during the McCourt era. And if things don’t turn out well this year, they’re likely to going forward into next year and beyond.

    Maybe the Dodgers will blow it this year, and then again maybe they won’t. This thing could still turn on a dime. But if it doesn’t I’ll just have to amuse myself listening to the amateur advice being bandied about about our so-called terrible coaching staff. Personally, I have no problem with any of our coaches. And if changes are made, I prefer they be made by professionals, and not a bunch of fans whose opinions are based on the weather that day.

    By the way, it could just as easily be argued that the current rough patch could be the catalyst that ultimately makes this a stronger, more cohesive team. But I won’t make that argument, since I’d rather leave that stuff to the professional psychologists on this site.

  6. Gionfriddo says:

    Good stuff by Gonzo and Brooklyn— amazing that some will cry foul over a prolonged slump after a major trade, thus citing how “a gutting of the farm system” has caused the big blue dodger in the sky to get mad.. DeJesus Jr, Sands, McGough, Landry, Bawcom, O’Sullivan, Eovaldi= ALL, at this point in time are fringe prospects at best.. Lindblom is an avg set up bullpen arm.. RDLR, Webster, and Martin are stud arms who could become quality arms with the ability to win 15 games a year.. OR, they could never find success at the MLB level.. the dividends and pay out for these major trades will not be judged solely by the ’12 Dodgers.. A Gone and Crawford will both be here for the next five years and both are still young.. One wonders— WHAT if we had kept Big Game James Loney down the stretch and let Jerry Sands take over LF?? Installed Eovaldi and Webster into the rotation?? how many games out in front would we be?? maybe Ned and Stan should have called Mark…….

    • Bobbie17 says:

      Now, they are fringe prospects. Before they were bluechippers. Brooklyn, where are these new, great prospects going to play? Outfield? Shortstop? First Base?

      Maybe, buck short.

  7. Note says:

    Do you think they let uribe go but forgot to tell him? I guess it’s fine as long as he has his red stapler

  8. Gonzo says:

    B17 in case you haven’t noticed all major sports have revolving doors at each position. The prospects that are no longer in the organization were never blue chippers in my opinion. Maybe RDLR but that’s it. The organization better sign and draft players to accomodate all postions. Each player has a short shelf life as it is without including injuries. So to answer your question they will play Outfield, Shortstop, First Base….everywhere.

  9. Bobbie17 says:

    What do you do with the long term contracts?

  10. Gionfriddo says:

    B17– history lesson for you .. Nearly 45 years ago the Dodgers had 4 stud prospects or blue-chippers, if u will… Problem was, 2 were CF’s and 2 were 3B… Any idea how the GM, Al Campanis (in case u don’t know), solved this quandary?? He had one moved to 1B, one moved to SS, another moved to 2B, while the last kid was allowed to stay @ 3B..

    For the next 8 years we had Garvey, Lopes, Russell, and Cey…Translation = If the blue-chippers can play and excel, they will find the field..

  11. JOSEPH OLIVAS says:

    Its not over until we are officially eliminated! go dodgers lets get so damn hits!!!!!!!!! #L.A these bats better wake up i still got faith release uribe mix up the line up & maybe fire 1 coach the hitting coach of coarse! im sure this will work!

  12. Gonzo says:

    Do you think that all the kids signed will be ready in 2 or three yeaars? These contracts give the kids a very good window to be developed properly.

  13. Kevin says:

    How about this lineup for a few days?

    Ellis A.
    Ellis M.

  14. Gonzo says:

    Sure I’ll bat fifth.

  15. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    B17 you said: “Now, they are fringe prospects. Before they were bluechippers. Brooklyn, where are these new, great prospects going to play? Outfield? Shortstop? First Base?”

    By the way, just to set the record straight, I didn’t say anyone was a “fringe” prospect. And I never really called anyone a “bluechipper” either. Although, I admit, that I liked RDLR a lot. And of the players traded, he’s the only one that I would consider calling a bluechip prospect. But the reality is this: All prospects are suspects until they prove otherwise.

    We currently have in the outfield Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and by next year you will be able to add Carl Crawford to that list. Joc Pederson, Alfredo Silverio and Yasiel Puig come to mind as solid outfield prospects we still have.

    For shortstop, who exactly did we give up in any of those trades that qualifies as a bluechip shortstop prospect of the future? Ivan De Jesus? Did I miss something? And besides, in my opinion we still have a pretty good prospect in Dee Gordon (although he’s no longer in the “prospect” category). But I forgot, he’s an old guy. Will be a greybeard next year at 25. And first base. All we now have is a certified All-Star in Adrian Gonzalez. But I forgot, he’s not doing much now, so his career is over. Loney and Sands were clearly better alternatives. The organization had no third base prospect to speak of, and although some want him to play short, there’s a chance that that Hanley guy could be our third baseman for the next several years.

    And quite frankly, I don’t care where the new prospects play. Only time will tell us that. I’m just comfortable that the Dodgers are signing an abundance of young players, and that out of that abundance there will emerge some gems. What positions they play, we don’t know yet. Hopefully, the Dodgers will develop a plethora of players that can play all over the diamond. And even some that can be used as trading chips to acquire established big league talent.

    And then, it’s obvious you didn’t read what I wrote above. I pointed out that the Dodgers have now become big time players again in the international market, a place they abandoned under McCourt. In 2011 the Dodgers, the foremost pioneer on the international market, sunk to the depths by ranking DEAD LAST in the money spent on signing international prospects. Now they go out and sign 25 or more international players and you’re not ecstatic. Unbelievable. And it appeared as if the Dodgers did OK in the draft as well. Yet you still are of the opinion that new ownership is gutting the farm system. Wake up! Their re-building a system that McCourt laid to waste. The problem you have, is that as yet you don’t know the names of these players, so you have no way of relating to them. But you didn’t relate to RDLR when he first signed as an 18 year old with the Dodgers. And in the same manner, some of these nameless signings will begin to emerge over the next few years, and you’ll find new young players to latch onto.

    And Webster may turn out to be solid big league pitcher. And maybe not. All I know is that there is nothing in his minor league stats to indicate that’s he’s anything special. He’s a prospect, but nowhere have I ever seen him ranked among the elite. Not even close. In fact, as much as I like him, RDLR was never ranked among the elite prospects. And although I don’t remember the name, I recently read about a current young Dodger prospect who’s hit triple digits. And that’s another thing. You, or I, or anyone else on this site does not know the Dodgers minor league system like the people actually running it. We don’t know that there might be a 16 or 17 year old in the Dominican Summer League who the Dodgers think very highly of, and we’ve never heard of them.

    Coming into this season the Dodgers minor league system was ranked 23rd by Baseball America. In the 2012 Baseball American Prospect Handbook, they commented that “The McCourt ownership mess has wreaked havoc on a previously prosperous farm system, particularly in international signings, where Dodgers must bottom-feed rather than leading the way.” And those aren’t my words.

    It’s time that you took the time to re-assess.

  16. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Gonzo, good point about these kids having time to develop properly over the next several years. Actually Gonzo, I see you batting cleanup.

  17. Kris says:

    Gutting the farm system? Don’t think so…

    Of all those players, only RDLR had shown us that he could be elite. His trade hurts. Eovaldi is at best a mid-rotation starter and Lindblom a good middle reliever.

    But you generally have to trade quality to get quality. And most of the players traded for have all-star credentials and will be part of the team for years to come.

    Consider the following August team if Blue had stood pat:

    C – Ellis
    1B – Loney
    2B – Ellis
    SS – Cruz
    3B – Uribe
    LF – Rivera
    CF – Kemp
    RF – Ethier

    SP – Kershaw
    SP – Capuano
    SP – Harang
    SP – Eovaldi
    SP – Fife/Ely

    RP – Wright
    RP – Lindblom
    RP – Tolleson
    RP – Rodriguez
    RP – Wall
    CL – Belisario

    You can’t tell me that the team would be better off! Not to mention going into the off season with the same old same old questions.

  18. Gionfriddo says:

    Amen to all that, Brooklyn!! You are spot on with everything you said–

    The young right-hander you might have read about I believe is Jonathan Martinez.. 18 yr old out of Venezuela who started @ rookie ball in Arizona and ended up making 2 starts in Ogden.. I read where he was hitting the mid to upper 90′s on several occasions, which is amazing because he turned 18 IN JUNE and he’s listed @ 6’1, 170… Going to be nice to see how he develops…

  19. Michael says:

    Seeing that we died last month, I guess that makes us zombies now; it’s all the rage in Hollywood you know.


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