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How do you spell debacle?

I read that Andy LaRoche pitched the 14th inning of a game yesterday at AAA and got the win.  His fastball  was Clocked at 92.  Sign him…

There is a lot to talk about.  Have at it!

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34 Responses to “How do you spell debacle?”

  1. Michael says:

    Sell, how much is that doggie in the window?

  2. Roger Dodger says:

    Let us continue to be honest.

    This team, as said on this fan board, has a terrible roster for a major league team. Yes, some nice players, but that is it.

    The minor leagues have very few major league ready players.

    One or two players will probably not make a difference this season.

    Questions about Kemp’s health are real. Etheir and Kemp cannot carry this team to a ring. Hope I am wrong. But there are very few teams now behind the Dodgers in quality and minor league quality.

    The new owners have a lot of work to do.

  3. Badger says:

    We could sell if we are 5 or more games out at the deadline. Anybody want to offer Ethier?

  4. the truth hurts says:

    sell sell sell sell sell sell

    • Badger says:

      Sell who?

      • the truth hurts says:

        Lol, good question badger…Kennedy/uribe package deal?

        • Badger says:

          We can’t trade any pitching cuz there ain’t no one to step in. We can’t trade Kemp cuz he is what we need to build around. We can’t sell most of our starting lineup cuz nobody wants them.

          That leaves Ethier. Everybody would be interested in him.

          We are only being rumored on he buy links. The Phillies aren’t exactly impressed with what we have to offer for Hamels. We might be able to pull off a Willingham or Victorino deal, but do we have enough to do that AND get Dempster? Stay tuned.

  5. Jae says:

    I ain’t buying that $hit.

  6. Bobby says:

    This division is weak. No matter how the Giants lineup is playing at times, it’s weak. It’s weaker than ours when we have Kemp/Ethier.

    A couple decent moves, and this team will compete for the division. Get in the playoffs, and who knows what can happen. Plus all the revenue we’l make. Plus all the experience the guys will get.

    You quitters who want to sell every time we lose a game should go root for another team. We’ve had a horrific last 25 days, and yet we’re 1.5 games out only. We had a great April and May and beginning of June. I’m guessing with 2 all stars returning to our lineup, we’ll be get back to winning some games. Add a few pieces, and we can take a weak division and make some money by being in the playoffs.

    You want to sell? Sell your damn Dodger gear and root for Anaheim!

    • Badger says:

      May I assume you are not talking to me Bobby? Just because we talk of the possibility this team tumbles to 6 out after being up by 10 games a few minutes ago, does not mean we are “quitters”. The wise always have an exit strategy. If you don’t know that by now, live a few more years and you will learn it.

  7. RogerCraig says:

    If the Dodgers fall out of contention I wouldnt mind seeing a sale. Play FedEx, Sands, Van Slyke, DeJesus, Casty and others. Let’s see what we have!

  8. DodgerDude says:

    I’m not selling. Go Dodgers!

  9. Gionfriddo says:

    Sands?? Van Slyke?? I think the brass knows what we have in them— good to above average AAA OF’s who will never be every day players @ the big league level… Unfortunately, DeJesus is never going to get a shot with LA. Even if Ellis went down again they would turn to a combo of Kennedy, Herrera, Hairston… Hope the kid gets a shot at some point with another organization because he can hit.. Fedex at the very least will be our backup catcher next season and will be a Sept call up..

  10. Gionfriddo says:

    Rumor has it Philly has already let it be known that LA does not have enough high end prospects to get Hamels— a fact shown in plain sight yesterday when Zach Lee was torched for 8 ER in his 4th AA start, raising his AA era to 8.82 (overall he stands at 2-5, 5.53).. at this point I doubt if we could use Lee as a centerpiece to pull Dempster or Garza, let alone a Greinke or Hamels…
    That being said, Stan and Ned need to do something and NOW. Ideally, a stocked minor league system might be able to get LA Dempster,Aramis Ramirez, and Victorino, thus plugging 3 of our gaping holes and leaving 1B to Loney and Rivera down the stretch.. But, sadly I think we can only do 2 deals due to our lack of prospects.. that being said, is the following realistic??
    1.Withrow & Gould for Dempster

    2. Lee, Leon Landry for Victorino or in a separate deal– Lee, Pederson, Reed for A. Ramirez and Corey Hart..

  11. Badger says:

    I wouldn’t trade Lee just yet, unless it’s a Hamels deal. And don’t forget, Lee has the added value of being the potential starting quarterback at LSU. Imagine what 50 yard line seats to those games are worth.

    If Sands and Van Slyke were all that, wouldn’t we have them in the lineup now? I mean, we continue to put our old farts out there even though everybody knows they are bench players, pinch hitters or just in general replacement players. Sands and Van Slyke both got their shot and they tubed it. OK, maybe the second trip up will be better for them. Any time boys.

    We can do 2 deals Gio, but not for any real difference makers. Difference makers take three of your best prospects. We do that, and we don’t have much left.

    If we get Victorino and Dempster, and both can stay on the field, we might have enough to win this division. As long as the dbacks keep under performing I think we can take the gints. That is….. if we don’t keep giving up unearned runs at the rate we are.

    Tighten up dammit.

  12. jerry says:

    tired of someone in a different spot each night..we need a set line up and stick with it..seem like some one get hot ..and donny sit him.. matt had almost 8 week and he get a rest..donny is such a nevous manger he cant stop touching his face when they interview him.. he need to have a team meeting .and talk about fundametals.

  13. Joe says:

    Earlier this year I thought this was one of the most fundamental sound teams outside Gordon’s learning curve. To me we were winning games with good pitching, sound defense and timely hitting. We still have the pitching for the most part but the defense is lacking and errors (physical and mental) are giving away games. Like everyone here believes the Dodgers don’t have enough offensive fire power to overcome these deficiencies.

  14. Joe says:

    Also if the organization is lacking in enough blue chip prospects we won’t be able to trade for a top tier talent. Unless the other team wants us to eat the contract. Still probably can’t obtain a top tier player but may be able to get a mid level one who isn’t performing up to their contract.

  15. Badger says:

    So…. is Dempster and Victorino/Willingham/Cuddyer enough to put this team over the top?

    • Gionfriddo says:

      Over the top, get to the NLCS and WS= NO… but Dempster and one veteran bat will give us a better chance to win the west..

  16. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/red-sox-aggressively-pursuing-ryan-dempster.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29

    This is from MLB Trade Rumors above (“Red Sox Aggressively Pursuing Ryan Dempster”). If that’s true, and numerous other teams are also pursuing him, the Dodgers’ chances may be diminishing.

    Also in that article is this:

    “As a reminder, any team that acquires Dempster would be receiving a pure rental. Baseball’s new collective bargaining agreement states that teams are only eligible to receive compensatory picks for players who spent the entirety of the season with that club.”

    So if anyone thought the Dodgers could make up for the loss of prospects by letting Dempster walk over the winter, think again. I knew there were changes in compensation as a result of the new CBA, just couldn’t remember what those changes were.

    I don’t think very much of Van Slyke, but I still believe that Sands could be a very good major league player. And given what we currently have in LF, I would still like to see him handed the job for the remainder of this season, assuming the Dodgers can’t land a quality player in a trade. I think there is very little to lose, and possibly lots to gain. If he produces he becomes either a very strong trade piece during the offseason, or a valuable part of next years lineup.

    And by the way, while we keep contemplating what the Dodgers can do between now and trade deadline, keep in mind that the D-Backs and Giants are likely contemplating what players they can acquire.

    And don’t think that Kasten/Colletti aren’t adroit enough to be playing both sides of the buyer/seller coin. Not only do they likely have an exit strategy, but they probably also have a multi-faceted strategy. And if it turns out that nothing materializes in either direction, they could just end up keeping their powder dry (both in players and money) for the offseason.

    And I wonder if the Dodgers have any interest at all in the currently 34 year old Aramis Ramirez. He is being paid $6 million this year (probably only about half of that left for the remainder of this year), $10 million next year, $16 million in 2014, and he has a mutual option with a $4 million buyout in 2015. Also, $6 million is deferred in 2014. I’m not sure if that’s part of the $16 million that year, or just additional money to account for his relatively low salary this year. All in all, it would be a lot of money for the Dodgers to pickup. I know they have far greater resources than in the past, but that doesn’t mean they should spend it wildly on a player like Ramirez who has to be questionable going forward into his years 35 and 36 seasons. They’re going to need money going forward to fill numerous holes. I’d save my money for the better pickings that should be available this winter via trade or free agency. And also beyond this winter. After all, I believe we still have Manny and Andruw Jones on the payroll through 2014, and I’m not sure when Pierre ends. And maybe there are others not coming to mind.

    • Badger says:

      Interesting idea on Ramirez. At 34 he hasn’t played over 150 games in 6 years, so his best years are obviously behind him. The end of that contract scares me. If the Dodgers are throw away money rich, then sure, give it a shot. But I don’t think he is worthy of all that money. And I don’t think he would be THE difference this year, but he would add some power from a position that now offers very little.

      If we give Sands the job, we can move Rivera at the deadline. Might be a good idea.

      I think all GM’s out there recognize the risk with Dempster. He has made a ton of money the last three years – about $40 million, and who knows what he might expect out of his next contract. He is 36 next year, and extending guys that age is dangerous. So giving up our few prospects for maybe 15 starts is extremely risky for the Dodgers. If we get no offensive help, then HE becomes the victim in those 3-2 games.

      Manny and Andruw will be there for a while:

      http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=127

      I am really conflicted about what to do this year. Honestly, I NEVER expected this team to be anywhere near the top of this division by this time. I also think they may eventually end up right about where I had them, but, who knows? This game is weird, and if the dbacks don’t figure out how good they really are, THEY may be sellers at the deadline. Strange year. Having said all that, I don’t see we have the leverage to make all the moves necessary to beat the elite teams in a 7 game series. If we can somehow take on a sellers bad contracts (Soriano would be an example) get Dempster or in a miracle move land Hamels, it could be done.

      So much depends on the next 2 weeks.

  17. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Speaking of deferred salaries going forward, here’s the worksheet from TBLA.

    http://www.truebluela.com/2010/11/30/1840626/dodgers-payroll-worksheet

    Looks like the numbers go down considerably from this year to next, and then still further in 2014. I was wrong above. Manny only gets paid through 2013. I imagine that going forward into the next few years that the loss of all this deferred salary, plus any other expiring contracts (e.g., Ted Lilly after next year), and a deeper pocketed ownership, should give the Dodgers a great deal of payroll flexibility going forward.

  18. Dave says:

    Just thinking…wondering if anyone else is too…might Bellisario have the stuff of a starter? I’ve read others say the same on this site or maybe some other site in the past, but I’m really wondering now after seeing him dominate.

  19. ken says:

    I thought that I would get to sing Larry Fontaine sing but it was just Crazy Guggenhein again.

  20. ken says:

    0 – 8 with RISP
    They are all Mr. Softee.
    Another day and Cruz will be hitting less than Uribe.

    When will AZ catch the Dodgers.

    Will SD catch the Dodgers this year?

  21. Badger says:

    Sad.

    Arizona is only 4 behind the Dodgers. And it’s my opinion they are a better team, especially with Kubel in the lineup. He’s out right now. They could easily be on us by the time we play them at the end of the month.

    Two more with Philly, then at the Cardinals, at the Mets, at the gnats. Any predictions?

  22. Badger says:

    You can’t blame Ned. His hands are tied.

    No, really, they have him locked in an office with his hands tied so he doesn’t sign Jay Gibbons or trade for Cliff Pennington.

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