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The Dodgers Will Stand Pat

Personally, I can’t stand Pat – he’s rude, arrogant and self-centered… Oh, not that Pat?

OK, the deal is that the Dodgers are probably forced to stand pat right now because with the expanded playoff format, half of all the teams are still in the hunt.  Since the Dodgers are flush with cash, teams are going to want to ask for a lot more than normal and  it’s a sellers’ market right now.  I doubt that it will be a buyers’ market this year, but as the Trade Deadline approaches, the sellers may drop their demands slightly.

Justin Morneau, Michael Cuddyer, Carlos Quentin, Chase Headley, Carlos Lee, Josh Willingham and Brandon Inge are all hitters who may be available, depending upon which teams fall out of contention.  Matt Garza, Ryan Dempster and maybe Cole Hamels are some of the top pitchers that may be available.  Ned Colletti has said he is looking for a bat, a starter and a LH reliever.  Odds are, he won’t get all three.

Also, depending upon what players are acquired, some players on the current roster, may have to go as well.  On that list could be IDJ2, Tony Gwynn, Jr., Juan Rivera, Juan Uribe, Justin Sellers, James Loney, Adam Kennedy and Matt Angle.  Prospects who could be traded are:  ANYONE – the Dodgers have no one off limits!  That means Zach Lee, Shawn Tolleson, Chris Reed, Chris Withrow, Ethan Martin, Joc Pederson and any other prospect with a pulse could be traded in the right deal.

We just have to wait on Pat…


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21 Responses to “The Dodgers Will Stand Pat”

  1. Badger says:

    Ah Pat’s all right once you get to know him. Just don’t bring up the ex as that sets him off.

    Joc Pederson. Interesting prospect. I have to wonder about him as he is from Palo Alto and was set to sign with USC before the Dodgers drafted him. How can a kid from Palo Alto go to USC? Anyway, some team might be interested in him, but I think he has to do it above A ball to be considered a real prospect. Chris Reed is another interesting prospect. All he does is get people out. I am sure Philadelphia would take him.

    I agree with your general post here, but some of those names will not be of interest to anyone. Uribe for sure won’t be, Sellers, Kennedy and Gwynn are nothing more than back-ups. IDJ might have some value. I keep Loney in the lineup for the summer, but might consider an off season move.

    I think you are right about this – it will be our young pitchers that teams will want. Lee, Reed, Rodriguez and Onelki Garcia should cause some teams to pick up the phone. Eovaldi and Tolleson look ready now, we could actually use them in the stretch, but everyone knows they can pitch at this level. How many of those guys would you give up for Hamels?

    As for those bats you mention – eh, a couple might make a difference in the stretch, as they can hit, but I don’t see any of them as a block for the future. If we make a big move, I would hope it would be for someone who sticks around for a few years.

  2. Badger says:

    Mark….. any chance the Dodgers might be interested in bringing home another Southern California guy – Chase Utley? He is on a rehab assignment now, evidently feels fine, and is owed about $22.5M through 2013. He is going to be 34 at the end of this year. He was really good up until ’11, then the injury. Thoughts?

    • Mark_Timmons says:

      I\’m sure Utley would like to come back. I brought this very issue up a few months ago. Since he played 2B, you know he can play 1B or LF. The only question is whether he can recover from his knee problems. As I understand it, he has no cartilage in one knee. That can be a problem. If he can play, I\’m in.

      Pay his salary and give them a couple of good prospects and Loney, if they want him.

  3. Bobbie17 says:

    Pat is the way to go. Assuming a postseason, no way will Blue go past the first round.
    Why give up talented prospects for that? Keep the farm in tact. 3-4 of those guys might contribute in the next 2-3 years. NEVER give away young pitchers–unless they have been stuck a 3 A for a long time. With the new ownership, this is a several year
    project, and if it takes its time, Blue might be good for a long time.

  4. Bobby says:

    NEVER give away talented young pitchers for a Ryan Dempster type, I agree.

    However, if it’s for a major talent that we’d control for a while, I would do it. If Morneau is healthy, he’s worth it. If Hamels can sign an extension before being traded here, he’s worth it. Shoot, if Philly pays a good chunk of Cliff Lee’s contract, he might be worth it, and we’d have him for 4 postseasons and he likely would cost less than Hamels in a long contract.

    Just PLEASE don’t trade a Lee or Eovaldi for some avg old veg like Dempster or Youkliss

  5. El_Che says:

    Agree , kasten n Ned shouldn’t gut the farm for rentals or old guys stick with the plan n rebuild. Even for hammels or grienke could just sign one of them in the offseason. Joc pederson is only 20 in high A doing better thn average he’s a prospect he could repeat that level again n still be young for that league. Badger I’d say no on chase utley too much $$ even if phillies pay some salary n we got Mark Ellis signed for next year too.

  6. ken says:

    Inge .236 – NO
    Morneau .238 Overvalued – NO
    Cuddyer (CO) .250 on the road – NO
    Headley .267 Uribe, cash and a mid-level prospect or NO
    Lee .295 & 4 HRs – NO Salary too high for his current skills
    Willingham .276 (LF) – Yes for Rivera, Cash and a mid-level prospect
    Quentin .400 – Yes for Rivera, more Cash and a mid-level propsect.

    Otherwise just wait for Kemp and Ellis to return when the All-Star break is over. Then the need will be less and the deal will be better.

  7. Badger says:

    Mark Ellis is fine if we find sticks at other positions. But he is a career .266 hitter who is going to be 36. And I think the Philies would pay some of Utley’s contract. His replacement, Galvis, is a fan favorite and hopefully recovers soon. I think Utley has more value to an AL team because of his knees, but, he is a Southern Cal guy, went to UCLA, and who knows, maybe he has 3 or 4 years of good play left. He could play 1b you know, and the man can flat out hit. Dodgers players sent to Philadelphia seem to do well, so I am sure the Phillies will listen to any offers. But, you may be right. Utley isn’t a guy on his way up. I think most of us are in agreement about not adding more geezers. We need to get young and more athletic.

    I am still thinking about both Garza and Hamels added to this rotation. ooooh…. I like the sound of that.

  8. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Rodriguez and Garcia, both mentioned above, I believe cannot be included in any deals. If the new CBA hasn’t changed the rule on trading draft picks, then new draft picks cannot be traded for a year.

    I wouldn’t trade top prospects for marginal talent, but I would for top grade talent like Hamels, whether we get a contract extension now or not. He would definitely supply a boost to current attendance, and, if successful, he has the potential to lead the Dodgers deeper into the postseason, which can be worth big dollars to ownership.

    Again, as I’ve said over and over again, with a new deep pocketed ownership, I am not worried about spending some of our young currency, since I’m convinced that the current ownership is committed to re-building the talent pipeline, and is also committed to filling in gaps via free agency.

    Chase Utley, I’m not sure about. But the former Dodger draft pick is probably better on one leg than Uribe on two.

    I think getting younger and more athletic is important, but I don’t think it’s necessarily something that can be addressed right now. That could probably wait for the offseason. And yes, Hamels and Garza in our rotation does have a nice ring to it.

  9. Badger says:

    That question about draft choices being traded is true, but, what about the infamous PTBNL? Give ‘em a choice between X, Y and Y not?

    I find myself just making up lineups out of thin air, figuring without McDope in the Captain’s Chair, we have a chance to do anything. How about Wright at third, Utley at second, Melky Cabrera in center and Cole Hamels on the mound. That would give us a scary look wouldn’t it. It’s fun being excited about my team again.

    But I think ken’s point about waiting for our starters to get back in there is a good one and I agree with Brooklyn that it isn’t going to happen all at once. This could be a two to three year project. But, I want it all, and I want it now.

  10. Roger Dodger says:

    Fans that study a teams minor league system — hate to give up any real talent, and rather say “do not give away the future.”

    Dodger fans have been waiting since 1988 World Series win — to win again. I do not even want to add up how many years that is — The Big Wait !!!!

    New ownership wants to take advantage of this weak Dodger teams that leads the major leagues (all 30 teams). I know they will make a move or two. They will, write it down.

    This Dodger team, even with Kemp and Ellis coming back, could fall out of 1st place to the Giants in one week if not careful.

    One pitcher down (Lilly), one pitcher on the ropes (Chad), and the league just might catch up the the closers.

    The future is important — but the now is busting out with the Dodgers in the lead and re-enforcements will come into the picture.

  11. Roger Dodger says:

    I do not think that any of the teams in the hunt — will trade a key player during the season. They might trade a player having a bad season, and they really want him gone and replace that player with someone else.

    Like Rivera last season.

  12. Badger says:

    Just checked in after the bball game – the Dodgers with 2 total bases after 6 innings. That’s not very good is it.

    Think I’ll go read.

  13. Bobby says:

    SO FAR, this is an utterly boring game to watch!

    and to hear Vin just say that Loney and Uribe are due up next inning doesn’t make me want to watch much longer

  14. ken says:

    The Bullpen was Good!!

    Measure the slope of the mound in the Dodger’s bullpen!

  15. tradeLoney says:

    Loney just plain SUCK!!! Why is he batting 5th tonight and how long do we have to wait for this guy to step up – hit into double play to end the game. Just get rid of this guy, instantly Dodgers are a better team – addition by subtraction.

  16. Badger says:

    The Dodgers had two total bases and we want to blame Loney for the loss?

    Loney can look really bad on occasion can’t he. Especially on the road. He is hitting .308 at Dodger Stadium, .200 on the road. Maybe we should just leave him at home?

    He isn’t worth a whole lot in a trade. Most teams want their corner infielders to hit better than Loney. But, I still say by the end of the year he will do what he usually does. He’ll hit .280 with a dozen home runs and not very many ribbies. He is only signed for one year, but, if we don’t find anyone to replace him, he will be re-signed. He will probably end the year with a positive WAR, last year, believe it or not, it was 2.4.

    What’s our June 15th to Allstar Break record now Bill? Back to .500?

  17. Bill Russell says:

    June 15th to Allstar 2-2…………….

  18. Roger Dodger says:

    Dodgers were facing the best A’s pitcher, and he has been great this year.

    So what is the positive message from the game last night???

    Just this — the Dodgers got two (2) more hits than the night they were no-hitted by Seattle.

    Best record in baseball — but we all know that can change in a heartbeat with his lineup. Even getting Kemp and Ellis back — there are still a lot of holes.

    Gordon bunting last night. I saw the one time — and again he waits till the last moment to put the bat out, like he wants to surprise them, and then the ball goes about 2 feet — maybe he should just look like he might bunt on the first or second pitch — then always hit away.

    Gordon’s bunting can wait till he is over 30 or something.

  19. Roger Dodger says:

    Dodger web site is asking Dodger fans to vote for Etheir to make the All Star team . . .

    I looked at the stats on the AS web site — there are really about 8 to 10 guys that have their cases as well:

    Beltran, Bourn, Braun, Cabrere, Gonzalez, McCutchen, Pagan, Quentin, Stanton.

    Andre is now hitting .291, and for the past 10 games is at .211 with 1 HR and 7 RBIs and 4 of those 7 in one swing. So he has only 3 others in that time frame. But he has struck out 12 times in the last 10 games.

    Ethier needs to step up his game — and be the All Star he should be.


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