Let me cut to the chase:
James Loney, Jerry Sands, Chris Withrow, Josh Lindblom, Ethan Martin, Jon Broxton and Casey Blake (hey, St. Louis is home for him) for Albert Pujols.
Call me crazy.
Broxton, Blake and Loney would help keep them competitive NOW, and the rest would help in the future. Wouldn’t Dave Duncan love to get his hands on Broxton?
Would you do it?
Would St. Louis?
Forget the money right now.
Would you do it?
Lineup:
- Furcal SS
- Carroll/DeJesus 2B
- Kemp CF
- Pujols 1B
- Ethier RF
- Uribe 3B
- Thames/Gibbons – LF
- Barajas /Navarro C
in a heartbeat
For a one year deal? Yes.
The Dodgers would win the World Series, the value of the Dodgers would go through the roof, and neither Frank nor Jamie could afford to buy out the other so they would have to sell the Team the day after Commissioner Gordon ruled that Jamie had a right to a significant portion of the value of the Dodgers and Bud refused to allow the court imposed “Debt” to exist thus mandating a sell. Do you really see Frank and Jamie agreeing to allow Jamie to be a minority owner with no power?
Well maybe.
Then he will have to force Wilpon to sell the Mets too and I don\’t see that happening.
Isn\’t the value of the Dodgers determined when the divorce is final, not future value?
In my opinion you still do not get it.
La Vida Loca has officially moved on so Kemp might have a good year.
\”In my opinion you still do not get it.\”
I heard those exact same words from another attorney 3 weeks ago… right before the judge ruled in my favor.
I\’m just sayin…
i think the conversation would start with kemp (loney would be there only to give them a solid 1b in return).
then yea, add our top 3 kids. whichever they want. i don’t care.
mannnnnn i wish we could do something like this. talk about energizing the fan base!!
A heap of nothing for the best player in baseball. Hell ya.
We would automatically be the GREATEST hitter in Dodger History!
There is no way St Louis would do this without getting Kemp or Ethier. Withrow and Martin have been garbage, the Cards would want Gordon Rubby DLR Sands Jansen Loney and either Kemp or Dre. Its nice to dream that we could unload a bunch of crap for the best hitter in baseball but lets be real the Dodgers also don’t have the resources to sign Pujols long term and the only way you make that deal is if you sign him long term.
This
“Dodgers also don’t have the resources to sign Pujols long term and the only way you make that deal is if you sign him long term”
plus i hate these kind of deals, as sooon as we got him he’d test positve for something. Call me jaded
NO WAY THIS DEAL HAPPENS….
Hate to think that the fucken Mcunts will not give us the chance at Pujols. This type of opportunities dont always happen
I would only do that deal if Pujols was also locked up to a long term deal. Otherwise, no way for a one-year rental. From reports I’ve heard, he’s looking for a 10 year, $300 million deal. There’s probably some compromise around that number, although it’s likely to end up at somewhere around a $30 million annual value. If the Dodgers can afford to do that now, and Albert is agreeable, by all means, make the deal. If the Dodgers are willing to pay the freight, but Pujols can’t be locked into a contract now, then the Dodgers should simply wait and get in the bidding when he’s a free agent next year. The Yankees with Texeira and the Red Sox with Gonzalez are not likely to be part of that bidding, so the Dodgers, if their willing and able to pay what it takes, would have as much a chance as anyone of signing him.
“They’re”, NOT “their” in the last sentence.
haha thanks for clearing that up brooklyn.
forget about that zack lee signing, which happily shocked all of us. mccourt going out and aggressively getting pujols will build him all the good will in the world from the city of LA!!!!
i hope ned’s keepin tabs on things. p.s. with him the NL could be ours the next few years, as i see that philly has an old lineup and these pitchers aren’t young kids either!!
There is actually one scenario in which the Dodgers should make that deal w/o locking up Pujols now. It would require that the Dodgers have determined that they will not be outbid for Pujols when he reaches free agency next year, and that they are convinced that playing a year in LA would be a positive experience for him, and enough to persuade him to sign a long term deal with them if the money was right. Keep in mind also, that although he’s not Pujols, Prince Fielder may well be on the market next year too.
Oh, and if Sands realizes his potential and becomes a big time power hitter, think how nice it would be to sign Pujols as a free agent next year, and have a lineup that included Pujols, Kemp, Ethier and Sands back to back to back to back, in any order you please. Yes, that’s being greedy, but it’s a thought that might even be possible.
OK, the Dodgers sweeten the deal and give up the following players:
Billingsley
Loney
Broxton
Blake
Withrow
Martin
DeLaRosa
Sands
for
Pujols
Rasmus
That\’s a lot to give up.
Lineup:
1. Furcal SS
2. Kemp RF
3. Ethier LF
4. Pujols 1B
5. Rasmus CF
6. Uribe 3B
7. Barajas/Navarro C
8. DeJesus 2B
I agree that getting Pujols would be a huge step in building goodwill. I also believe it could be a marketing strategy that could be incredibly profitable. “Albert’s Alley” or “Pujols’ Playground” could replace Mannywood. And I’m sure there would be plenty of merchandise to replace the Manny dreadlocks. But any goodwill that comes with obtaining Pujols would only be lasting if he were locked up long term. Getting Pujols now, and then letting him get away later, is a formula for creating disenchantment among the fan base, and would open the Dodgers to unrelenting ridicule.
The Dodgers would have to give up Kemp, Billingsley and several prospects for Pujols. Plus, I think Pujols already stated he would veto any deal. He has the Cardinals in a corner, and it is being reported that Pujols rejected the Cards offer two weeks ago.
Pujols also stated he would end contract talks on Tuesday.
I follow the Rams in the St. Louis papers and so I’m exposed to a lot on the Cards from various sportswriters and “chats” they have with fans. Apparently, the Cardinals have intention of trading Pujols and have already set aside a $150 million dollar war chest to help sign him to an extension.
Pujols is said to want an A-Rod type deal for $30 million per season for 6-8 years.
In any event, they would never trade their star for our scrubs. I don’t know why Timmons still thinks like that. Other GMs aren’t stupid and why would they want our mediocre players plus a bunch of wannabes from the farm and an over priced geezer who probably can’t play 120 games for us and will probably hit .240 or thereabouts again next season when their giving up the most important cog in their starting lineup which they hope to take them past the Phillies and into the world series?
In the early years on the other boards Timmons was always suggesting these kinds of ludicrous transactions. I thought he’d out grown living in that kind of fantasyland but obviously, I was wrong.
If you are going to suggest a trade for a star to please at least make it realistic. Otherwise, you’re just fooling yourself and wasting our time Mr. Timmons.
Edit: That should have read the Cards have no intention of trading Pujols. Particularly for a weak return package such as suggested by Timmons. Even if they traded Pujols for real value, management would still be crucified by the rabid Cardinal fans , or at least tarred and feathered and then ridden out of town on a rail.
I haven’t been here long, but that Lawdog Idiot wants you to ban him. He’s begging for it.
Willie,
I am compelled to ignore him, lest I become like him.
Mark,
It is probably all unrealistic, but I understand it’s an exercise designed to have some fun. I have a feeling even you think it’s farfetched. So going along with the program….
I like Colby Rasmus, and would love seeing him in CF for the Dodgers. But pitching is also important (verrrrrrrrrry important), so I’m wondering why you would add Billingsley and De la Rosa to get Rasmus added to the deal.
As for getting Pujols, I’m just hoping that somehow, someway, the Dodgers will be a player if Pujols becomes a free agent next year. I also wouldn’t be in the least bit surprised if he’s locked up by the Cardinals. And I doubt that the February 16th deadline he set is etched in anything resembling stone.
Despite the Dodgers’ financial problems, I can picture them bidding aggressively for Pujols if he becomes available next year. As big a marketing tool that Manny was, that will pale in comparison to the cash that Pujols could generate. He would likely pay for himself in attendance/concessions/parking revenues, merchandise sales, sponsorship dollars, and anything else that doesn’t come immediately to mind. And as noted above by Bobby, lots of goodwill, which itself can translate into dollars.
any pujols deal, if there is one, would involve a young superstar, or superstar type talent, from the team trading for pujols.
that would be kemp from LA(i’m sure kershaw is untouchable, unless the trade is kersh/loney and nothing more), jose reyes from NY, kendrey morales from anaheim, etc. yanks, bosox, and phills wont trade for him (i doubt stl wants to pay ryan howard 25 mil/yr for 4 more years)
on our end, it’d have to be kemp, a replacement for pujols (loney), and high high high ceiling kids. however our ranking system is by the time the trade is being discussed, i’m sure it’ll invole some combination of gordon/sands/de la rosa/withrow.
i think it’d be worth it, but again, who knows.
anyone know what other superstar baseball players have been traded for recently? miguel cabrera, much younger than pujols, went for 6 high ceiling minor league guys, plus the contract of dtrain.
i know beltran went for a lot when he was traded, back when he was a top 5 player.
granted pujols is the best player in th game, but he’s 31/32, and not 26 approaching his prime. plus he’ll command 25-30 mil a year, which is a ton for a team to absorb. the cost, therefore, in players traded might not be as high. who knows!!
Brooklyn,
You are indeed correct.
Trade Pujols? I can’t even wrap my head around that one. St. Louis will do everything they can to keep him there.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_7852df60-7c16-5ec5-8e2d-a01c73cd82a4.html
But in the event he does become a free agent after next year, it is my opinion that if McFlatline still owns the Dodgers, they will not be bidders. It won’t be too hard to figure out who the real players will be in those sweepstakes. As long as there is no salary cap in baseball, only a few organizations can afford $30 million a year contracts and still field a competitive team. L.A. ain’t one of them. Not now anyway. That could change.
BTW, just a heads up, if you google “Diamond Dollars baseball” you will find several articles that bring some light to these conversations.
This year’s attendance figures will be a real tell as to where the Dodgers payroll is headed. Have the fans had enough of the McCourt embarrassment?
I almost bought the aforementioned book by Vince Gennaro until I read the review at The Biz of Baseball.com a couple of years ago:
http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_con…
Part fact, part fiction (speculation) , it may be an interesting read.
On the Dodgers and Pujols: I have always said that Frank McCourt knows that butts in seats pays the rent and Frank knows how to put butts in seats.
The Dodgers will be a player for Pujols because he would put more butts in seats than any other player in basball. He will be over paid – that\’s a given. The last two years of his deal will be marginal, but he could put butts in seats like no other player. Frank knows that, so don\’t think the Dodgers can\’t be a player.
The Padres were forced to sell and have gutted their payroll because they have $100 million less income than the Dodgers. They are essentially a small market team. I am sure that Dodger season ticket sales are lagging. If (BIG IF) Pujols becomes available, I would look for the Dodgers to be a player.
It might be worthy to gut the farm to get Pujols.
Couldn’t open that one, but did get this one:
http://bizofbaseball.com/
Some very interesting comments above on Sir Albert being a Dodger and giving the Cardinals all those players.
My first reaction is — the Cardinals had Albert last season and Holliday last season — and did not even get in the post season. They had good starting pitching and the rest of the team was ok.
Second reaction is — the lineup Mark presents is very weak:
Furcal SS
Carroll/DeJesus 2B
Kemp CF
Pujols 1B
Ethier RF
Uribe 3B
Thames/Gibbons – LF
Barajas /Navarro C
7 & 8 can be pitched around and through. 6 might not be the same as last year. 1 will probably be in and out of the lineup. 2 have bunches of question marks. 3-4-5 is solid.
It is interesting. But risky. It is possible. But really changes the direction of the minor league system. It might happen. But . . . OK – do it. And I bet that Dodger Dogs will be $11.95 and they cut off an inch of the Dog.
No!!!!!!! I rather have Fielder’s fat ass for half the price
Can we give him McCourt too?
Albert makes everyone better. The St Louis faithful would burn down the stadium is we gave them this handful of underachievers!
Step by Step guide for baseball trading dumbies
I think you would have to determine which of the two players between Kemp and Ethier would be the easiest to sign long term. Once the Dodgers determine that, the other one becomes the center piece of a trade for Albert or someone like him. We would also need to make sure that you can sign Albert long term. After determining all of that, we would need to find the riches to run the team like it needs to be run in a large market. See very simple
As simple as 1 – 2 – 3
I don’t see us trading for Albert, but I sure would like to have him on the team. How much contract money comes off the books this fall…Furcal, Blakes….perhaps some defered money. Seems like if we went after Albert this winter, we might want to sign Kemp or Ethier (assuming they bounce back with productive years) before signing Albert and raising the payroll bar.
I don’t think we have much chance in the Albert Sweepstakes but I can hope.
I agree with that take Bill, with emphasis on ownership. We need an owner with his own money and his own cable network. Giving in to Fox is a bad sign for the Dodgers future.
“I don’t see us trading for Albert”
I don’t either Bob. The problem as I see it is having the ability to take on a $30 million contract, and surround that player with a support group that is good enough to win it all. One player never does it. It takes a village. And then there is the tail end of that contract. As was mentioned in the article, every player’s WAR starts going down in his mid to late 30′s. Even Pujols can’t keep it up for 10 years.
In my opionion, no player should get more than 7 years, especially in MLB where everything is guaranteed. That’s just nuts.
This will NEVER happen. We should be using all of this energy to politic for Trayvon or Jerry to start in left over Gwibbonthames
Some of us already tried to suggest that route Kdig. Not gonna fly in here. We MUST go for it all every single year.
It’s the World Series or bust!
So far the early media coverage is the Phillies great pitching; suggested as maybe the best starting 4 ever.
I think the Spring Training media coverage will have the Pirates, Oakland, Seattle, Cleveland, Toronto, Arizona, Florida, San Diego, Houston, and the Dodgers as the least covered teams. None of those teams have stories ready for prime time. Their individual fans love them and hope for great season, but not much national time.
Tops in the news: Phillies, Braves, Reds, Redbirds, Milwaukee, Giants, Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox, Texas.
In the middle for coverage: Tampa Bay, Baltimore, Detroit, K.C., Angels, Mets, Nationals, Cubs, Rockies, Twins.
Kind of like 10, 10, 10.
It would appear that not much is expected of the Dodgers this year. Too many “IF’s” Can’t say I blame the media, though I know some will.
We have the element of surprise going for us.
I am having quinoa for breakfast.
Some great well reasoned articles today on other blogs. Especially Sir John [sic] and MSTI.
None of the trades listed here are good enough.
Here’s one:
LA Gets – Pujols, Lohse, Catching Prospect Bryan Anderson, SS Prospect Peter Kozma
StL Gets – Loney, Kemp, Kuo, Broxton, Gordon, Martin and Lindblom
We’re talking about maybe a top five hitter all time.