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The Dodger Family Mourns Christina Taylor Green

The Dodger Family Mourns Christina Taylor Green

In a senseless act of violence, the Daughter of Dodger scout John Green was killed in the Tuscon supermarket shooting.  I don’t want to

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give any publicity to the lunatic who did this, and I am not of the ilk of being politically correct and calling him a “disturbed person” (he’s a lunatic), but I think it is time that America re-thinks the policy of automatic weapons.  I wonder if our founding fathers would have endorsed the “right to bear arms” if there had been automatic weapons capable of expelling death at a quickness only realized by modern technology.  There are always going to be lunatics, but the availability of these “hand weapons of mass destruction” needs to be revisited by the people (not the politicos).

Rest in Peace Christina Green .  She was born on 9-11-01.

I’ll talk Dodgers tomorrow.  This is a shameful tragedy for the family of Dallas and John Green and for the entire Dodger family.

I wonder is Congresswoman Patricia Giffiords (who is in critical condition) will still be a “guns rights activist” if she recovers.

She was one of 19 Democrats who voted against House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi for speaker this week and was/is obviously a good person (politics aside).

Just my opinion about a tragedy that could have been avoided…

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42 Responses to “The Dodger Family Mourns Christina Taylor Green”

  1. Badger says:

    Yeah, another tragedy. I can’t help but wonder why there isn’t more security at events like this. Just a couple of well trained local cops might have helped. There were none there. From what is being said from those in office, nearly all our political leaders are getting threats. Granted, the individuals who do this are on the margins, but they must be taken seriously.

    I am with you on the guns issue.

    As this country spins apart, and people get angrier and more frustrated, I sure hope cooler heads prevail. As divided as we are, we are all Americans and the fact of the matter is – we are in this together.

  2. John says:

    If the useless police force would have done their job concerning this scumbag this would have never happenned

  3. Mark Timmons says:

    Sometimes it’s pretty hard to stop a lunatic from shooting one person, but it was only the automatic weapon that enabled him to shoot 20!

    Bad police work, mediocre police work or good police work gone awry, the automatic weapon re-acts too quickly.

  4. Gonzo says:

    My buddy who is the Executive Director of the Arizona’s Democratic Party told me that many of these politicicians nixed the idea of having too much security becuase they didn’t want to intimidate the constituents with a security overloaded event and to give it the one on one, your representative is accessible to you type of event.

    I guess that will change.

  5. Badger says:

    Small point mover, but the Glock series is a semi-automatic and this guy must have had 33 round magazine as he shot 20 times and had rounds left. There are reports on some websites saying he may have had connections to right wing hate groups. We will know more that as the investigation continues.

    Gonzo, your point is a good one, but I would say in today’s charged climate, with so much talk about “targeting” – even to the point of having crosshairs on maps, and some willing to actually voice their threats, it would be advisable for any and all of our leaders to have some sort of security, some in uniform, some not, just to give the visible evidence that someone is indeed on the job. We have nutcases everywhere especially it would seem at this point in our nations history. We could, and should, have civil debates on all these points, but in the mean time, when the red flags go up – PAY ATTENTION!

  6. SpokaneBob says:

    What a sad and senseless tragady. My heart goes out to each of those families involved. Regardless of anything else it all comes down to family and the people we love.

  7. Ken says:

    When the real world events turn sad we realize that our pseudo journalistic squabbles in here are actually either humorous or meaningless. That can not be said when the tragedies in real life occur to people that we do not even know. On days like these many people, regardless of political or moral belief, even on Sunday begin to rethink the moral position of no death penalty for certain heinous crimes.

  8. SpokaneBob says:

    I am in favor of the Death Penalty in cases where there is no doubt that a person purposely commits a heinous act of this kind. But I think we will find that this person is insane. That information is starting to come forth and we have yet to learn what his specific motivations were. It bothers me that people like Sherif Cupnik,left wing media and blogs can’t wait to blame it on rightwing political discourse. Although our political disagreements can become very heated and passions run very high, no sane person would use any weapon but their vote.

  9. Labluefan says:

    To question her stance on gun control is RIDICULOUS! It was not the gun that did the damage, it was the lunatic who had the gun. Criminals are gonna get their hands on these guns whether they are illegal or not. This guy is a far left nut job who needs quick and swift punishment, hopefully the death penalty.

  10. Badger says:

    Well said Bob.

    The death penalty is not the answer Ken. But maybe hanging him by his thumbs for several years would be.

    “This guy is a far left nut job”

    say what? I think you might want to read a few articles on this guy lablue. Mein Kampf is not exactly reading material you will find on left wing bookshelves. Also, HP is saying “he may be a memeber of the anti-immigration hate group American Renaissance, according to a leaked memo from the Department of Homeland Security.”

    Besides, everyone knows the left doesn’t have “hate groups”. They aern’t organized enough to pull that off.

  11. Bill Russell says:

    Well said Ken……..

  12. Labluefan says:

    Mein kamph= Hitler = National SOCIALIST Party. Not a left winger huh? Interesting. Either way, this killer needs to die. God bless all of the victims and their families

  13. Badger says:

    You are getting just a little crossed up there lablue. I do not wish to get into a political skirmish with you here, but recist organizations are not generally associated with the extreme liberal wing. We all know where to look for those groups.

    Yes, our nation mourns the losses these families have suffered.

  14. Mark Timmons says:

    Labluefan,

    I have no inside info, but his profile is most-likely that of a far right wing nut job.

    You said:

    It was not the gun that did the damage, it was the lunatic who had the gun. Criminals are gonna get their hands on these guns whether they are illegal or not.

    I hear that all the time and it is a completely untrue statement. Guns don’t fire themselves. People do! And with rapid fire guys the nut jobs kill more people.

    To say that guns don’t kill people is a cop out. People have to fire the guns and if they don’t have them, they can’t fire them.

    Did you ever play paintball? Some of the players have automatic weapons that fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. Who does the most damage? The guy with a single shot or the ones that can shoot 30 shots in 5 seconds?

    Guns don’t kill people, but people with guns do!

    People without guns kill fewer people.

    Explain this fact:

    If you own a gun, it is more likely that someone you love or know will die by a bullet from than gun than an intruder or robber.

    Guns give people courage, albeit false courage.

    The guy who is 5′ 4″ feels like he’s 7′ tall with a gun in his hand…

  15. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    First, my heart goes out to all the families who suffered losses in this in this dreadful tragedy. I can only imagine the pain they must be experiencing.

    LaBlue, you’re clearly not a student of history. The FASCIST, National Socialist Party was as far RIGHT as you can get. In fact, they were as anti-Communist as you can get. The 1933 Reichstag fire was almost certainly set by the Nazis, who then blamed it on the Communists in furtherance of their own political ends. Read some history before making a fool of yourself.

  16. Labluefan says:

    Um, if you read the reports, he was reading the communist manifesto too. Explain that.

  17. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    LaBlue,

    Too quote the great sage, Mark Timmons, the guy is a “lunatic”. Because he was reading the FAR RIGHT “Mein Kamph” and the FAR LEFT “Communist Manifesto” is only further proof of his instability. But anyone who knows anything about history, knows that Nazism was a far right, anti-communist movement. Don’t listen to me, just visit your local library.

  18. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Oops, that should have been “to” NOT “too”.

  19. Badger says:

    Brooklyn is of course correct.

    It would appear that the there is certain defined group going immediately into defense mode.

    When the people gathered in the 2008 election camppaigns with those hate posters and carrying weapons, some actually loaded (you know the group I am refering to) it made me very nervous. When the Palin maps first appeared and the references to “take them out” were voiced, I got more nervous. If you were listening to the news, many talking heads were saying something like what just happened could happen as it pushes the marginal nutcases and gives a certain license to “go for it”. This nutball went for it. Now, after the fact, people on both sides are saying it is time to cool the rhetoric. No sh*t it’s time to cool the rhetoric. It is way past time. 6 dead and several injured. Wake up America!

    Mark is right on the money. I have fired a semi-automatic (M-16 -it’s automatic as well) in combat situations and I can tell you from first hand experience these kind of weapons DO NOT belong in the private sector. You do not need these weapons to “defend” yourself and you do not need these weapons to go deer hunting. All of these weapons were designed to kill human beings and to do it quickly and decisively. And it would appear any unbalanced kook can step right up to the counter and buy one.

    I sure hope this is the wake up call this country needs. I fear it is not. Within a few days or weeks, I fear it will be business as usual.

    • Ken says:

      I am truly amazed at the strength and quality of the family members and Senator’s staff members interviewed on TV today.

      The FBI approved this guy’s gun permit. Wow! There should be a phone number that people can call to report possible crazy adults just like calling children’s services when a child is possibly being abused. Common sense evades these politicians who must be morons.

      The age to buy a weapon should be 21, and so should military service. There is a lot of brain development between ages 18 and 21. Most psychotics are transformed into that state by age 21.

      In certain cases a psychotic can be sane enough to have the mental capability to commit a murder that is subject to the death penalty. There may be enough evidence to prevent an insanity defense in this case.

      Unfortunately when the pendulum swings too far to one side it swings way too far back to the other side.

  20. Roger Dodger says:

    My belief is to work to the more elimination of guns and fire arms. I did not say to band them. But some people have 50 or 100 or 400 or what ever. Single shot to automatic. But having less has to help some.

    I do remember at a Tea Party large gathering in D.C. this past year — some carried signs with: Next Time We Will Bring Our Gus. Or something to that effect.

    That does not help. I asked a Tea Party friend of mine, and he respond, “Oh, they are just messing with you liberals.”

  21. Badger says:

    I think even normal people are strung tight these days. The fringe have been sent over the edge. Must be the pole shift.

    Security. I think maybe all of us should take a new look at it.

    Ken, I think your point about being 21 to volunteer is a good one, but I also think by the time young men and women turn 21 most of them will have probably figured out the military is not a good place to start. Not all of them of course, as the infantry is, and will always be filled with young men who don’t have many choices. I have felt for a long long time that everyone should be required to serve, and that the Peace Corps should offer the same benefits as does the military. That’ll never work of course, as the Peace Corps does not have the military type contracts that would bring in enough money to keep a benefits program going. War is a multi-billion dollar busisness. There is no money in peace.

    The Tea Party did bring their guns Roger, that is what I was talking about.

    Where’s lablue? Maybe he is nose deep in a history book.

    Please, everyone support a reasonable gun ownership plan. If we can get these kind of weapons off the streets, then the only crooks who will have them will be the cops.

    hmmmm. Maybe I should give that some more thought.

  22. Brooklyn Dodger says:

    Badger, lablue may be “nose deep in a history book”, but that still begs the question of whether or not he can comprehend above a 4th grade level.

    I have always been in favor of strong gun laws, if only because the more guns that are out there, the greater the opportunity there is for bad things to happen, whether planned or unplanned. Even perfectly sane people are subject to random moments of total insanity (AKA, “temporary insanity”). And Mark’s point about automatic/semi-automatic weapons is right on the money. When the founding fathers endorsed “the right to bear arms” they knew only about single shot muskets, not automatic/semi-automatic weapons of mass destruction. And we no longer have local militias (at least not legal ones) that need to be at the ready at all times. The founding fathers would not recognize the world as it exists now, and would today be working/thinking under an entirely different set of assumptions. If anything, they were smart enough to know that the future might be vastly different than the world they lived in, and they were not so arrogant as to believe that they could dictate the requirements of future generations. Hence, the ability to amend the Constitution, a living document, not one written in stone.

    And then there’s the argument that criminals/nuts will always be able to obtain weapons, no matter what the law. To me that’s pure nonsense. Yes, there will surely be instances when such people are able to get their hands on weapons. But strict gun laws would surely keep them out of the hands of at least a significant number of those people who seek to obtain them. Put up roadblocks, and some people will inevitably be hindered/stopped.

  23. RogerCraig says:

    You can’t stop all the nutjobs, but you can slow them down and even stop some. The left wing pinko commies and right wing gun lovers need to meet in the middle.

  24. Badger says:

    Well said Brooklyn.

    Most Americans do reside right in the middle RC. I know it sounds like I dont’, but I do. I am conservative when it comes to my money and law enforcement, but I am progressive when it comes to what we do with our tax money. Some kind of regulation of corporations in this country is absolutely necessary and we must deal with our infrastucture, jobs and education. Lift all bans on everything and everybody and this nation will explode. It’s happening right in front of our eyes. Take a long look at the last decade. Where are we now? To allow the financial foxes to regulate their own hen houses is lunacy and to spend our nations money and precious resources on this absurd continuing war scenario is insane.

    It’s time ‘we the people’ circle the wagons, we must take a close look at, and deal with our own internal dysfunctions.

  25. SpokaneBob says:

    If you veiw the political spectrum as a circle instead of a stright line, there is a point where Fascism ends up being right next to Communism. Not to say that they are the same but I heard one commentator say she thought that may be where this jerk was politically. That may explain why both books were found on his website.

    It seems that Airazona is one of three states that DO NOT require a permit for concealed carry. That seems just crazy to me.

  26. Idaho al says:

    This question is for Roger Dodger. You talk about Tea Party maybe encouraging the shooting in Arizona. Will you equally say that the people who were at the Crawford Ranch in Texas with signs asking for the assination of Pres. George Bush appropriate? In my apinion they are both wrong.

  27. SpokaneBob says:

    The fact is there is no evidence to support the claims here and elsewhere that the Tea Party or anyone else is responsible for this act except the one who did it.

  28. lawdog says:

    LaBlue–as Roger mentioned, to equate Hitler and is book with socialism demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of Hitler’s regime. Just because someone calls something “socialist” doesn’t make it so. Hitler did feed the hungry in Germany before he started warmongering. He also had all the capitalists and industrialists on board because he maintained a capitalistic society while nationalizing things like power and mass transportation. He took care of poverty and hunger with massive programs to improve his country’s infrastructure. Anyone who wanted a job and the dignity that came with it could find one if they were not disabled.

    But Hitler and the Commies were mortal enemies. Why else would he have gone to war with Stalin and broken an non-aggression pact with him before he’d subdued England? If you wsant to learn more without having to crack a book check out the Military channel on your cable network. They have tons of Hitler specials all the time.

    One has to wonder what effect all that Tea Party propaganda comparing Obama to Hitler–or Palin’s website and Tweet page which indicated that this Congresswoman was in her “gunsights” to take out in the 2010 elections. She’s taken down the references on her web site since the shootings occurred but they are still up as of today on her other pages where she communicates with her fans–or so I’m told by those who actually go to those pages frequently.

    I’m not saying Palin is responsible. But right wingers that promulgate all that hatred and malice towards those on the left they view as enemies should think hard about the ramifications of what they are doing and the effect it will probably have on dunderheads like the imbecile who did this dirty deed.

    There are lots of people with lots of empty space between the ears who are easily swayed by this kind of malicious propaganda and start blaming people for their problems with no rational basis–just the hate inspired propaganda is enough to set the spark to their fear and inflame them to evil actions with no real rational thoughts about what they are doing or about to do. I have right wing friends who have lways been kind and charitable whipped into a rage against Obama which has prompted them to say out loud that they hope someone has the guts to shoot him in order to save the republic.

    There’s nothing we can do about it until the rhetoric goes so far as to be the equivalent of shouting “fire” in a crowded theater or the like as it’s still protected as free speech. All we can do is make sure these firebrands who provoke violence against the innocent are not able to gain control of our form of government by using our votes intelligently.

  29. Badger says:

    “Will you equally say that the people who were at the Crawford Ranch in Texas with signs asking for the assination of Pres. George Bush”

    Evidence of that? This is the first time I ever heard that… and knowing what I know about presidential security, and the fact W spent close to 500 days down there so security knew that area quite well, I would think if anyone were stupid enough to threaten POTUS that person would be locked up tight with the key somewhere at the bottom of the Gulf… buried in in about 20′ of oil.

    Let’s not go over the edge here people. Bob is right, we don’t know anything about this kid other than he is nuts. Yes, he did target a Democrat Congress person, it was deliberate and it was in fact planned, it happened in a district that had a hard fought campaign against a Tea Party candidate. Seems obvious to me what the motive was…. but until all the facts are in…..

    I just wonder what the Limbaugh’s and Beck’s would be saying if this was Republican Congress person shot and the attacker had a copy of the Communist Manifesto on his shelf.

  30. lawdog says:

    Regardless of which party or which wing of a given party it is who tries to gin up followers by playing on their fears and slandering another candidate or leader–even going so far as to compare such a candidate or leader to the most evil leader in the history of humanity and encourage putting the “enemy” in your “gunsights” is wrong.

    Evil knows no political boundaries and is happy to take control of any political party or faction.

  31. Idaho al says:

    I agree with Spokane Bob. There is nothing to indicate that right wing had anything to do with the shooting. In fact the shooter is a registered independent and did not vote in the last election. If you remember in 2006 there were bulls eyes on Republican candidates by Democrats. When you blame some group for something, all you have to do is look at what the other side has done. This was done by a deranged man. End of story.

  32. Badger says:

    “This was done by a deranged man.”

    Agreed.

    “End of story.”

    I doubt it.

    The first bulls eyes on maps I saw came from Palin. You say there are more, and they were first done by Democrats? Did you read this the same place you read there were signs calling for the assassination of a president outside his own home?

  33. lawdog says:

    Bulls eyes by democrats? Please provide your evidence. Anyone who thinks the Dems have tried to gin up violence against sitting leaders or candidates the way the Tea Party has done just is not paying attention. The tea party started by saying Obama was not born in the US. Then they called him a socialist and worse. Then they painted pictures of Obama for their idiots carry which portray him as HITLER!

    Show me where the Dems have done anything similar. Please educate me.

  34. Badger says:

    Giffords opponent in the last election, Jesse Kelly, in and address filled with anger and vitriol called the Democratic Party and Giffords his “enemy”. From the Arizona Republic:

    “Jesse Kelly, meanwhile, doesn’t seem to be bothered in the least by the Sarah Palin controversy earlier this year, when she released a list of targeted races in crosshairs, urging followers to “reload” and “aim” for Democrats. Critics said she was inciting violence.

    He seems to be embracing his fellow tea partier’s idea. Kelly’s campaign event website has a stern-looking photo of the former Marine in military garb holding his weapon. It includes the headline: “Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”

    We need to really take a close look at what is being said by those who are running for office. Words have consequence. That deranged kid most likely heard things like this and followed through.

    It is time people. We all need to dial it down and have civil debates.

  35. lawdog says:

    Jeeze Badge. I had no idea the evidence was that strong. Shame on the tea party and Sarah Palin!

  36. Jim says:

    Of course……blame the gun…..gun mfgrs……Palin…..Tea Party…..Bush……Limbaugh……Beck…..O’Reilly……Hannity……Levin……George Washington……our founding fathers for allowing guns…..
    GOOD GRIEF !!
    A NUT commits a crime – END OF STORY.
    Lets blame MOMS & DADS FOR RAISING NUTS !! Lets muder (abort) ALL THE KIDS so we don’t have anymore NUTS in the world…..
    STOP THE INSANITY ALREADY !!
    LETS STICK TO DODGER BASEBALL PLEASE !

  37. lawdog says:

    Have you been paying attention to the “Tea Baggers” moments of Zen this last year??? They say Obama is everything from the Devil to Hitler, but never a man trying to do the best he can with what he has to work with? That’s the way I see him, and the way he’s,increased benefits for the unemployed and homeless since he’s been in power makes me think he nailed it.

  38. lawdog says:

    . This is not what I wrote

  39. Badger says:

    Jim…. I think you are one of the nuts. Maybe we begin with you?

  40. Idaho al says:

    I said in my previous comment that the Demoncrats did this in 2006. I was wrong it was in 2004. The Democrats put a bulls eye in the state that they target to change to demoncrats. Sarah Palin did the same in 2010. She put a cross hair on the state she targeted to change. Look it up.

    What upsets me the most is that there are liberal people who are willing to use this tragic event to politicize it. There is not one shred of evidence that the killer had any connections to any political party. Again, he was a deranged individual.

  41. Badger says:

    “What upsets me the most is that there are liberal people who are willing to use this tragic event to politicize it. There is not one shred of evidence that the killer had any connections to any political party. Again, he was a deranged individual.”

    It upsets me too al.

    This is a time when we need to have civil discourse on what is wrong with this nation. And our political system, and the choices we have allowed them to make this last decade have thrown this nation over a cliff and divided the people like no time I have ever seen.

    If we don’t come together, and do it soon, we are in very, very serious trouble.

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