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These Deals Won’t Help Us Win The Pennant…

These Deals Won’t Help Us Win The Pennant…

But, they might just help us win the World Series.  I love Juan Pierre, but would you rather have him or Jim Thome as DH in the World Series?  Well, we now have a choice.  Thome says that he is not physically able to play 1B (although I suspect we will see him there from time-to-time), but he is a potent LH batter and even though he is in the twilight of his career, he has a .373 OB% and still slugs .500.    Jon Garland has “been there, done that” and is a solid starter who could benefit immensely by pitching in the Ravine.  We now have 7 starters (as soon as Kuroda comes back).  Torre has lots of options, including a 6-man rotation and giving Clayton some rest. 

The down side is that we have to give up Tony Abreu, but this is war and there are casualities.  I hate to see him go…

Dave Duncan, Anyone?

Dave_DuncanThe NY Times Dave Waldstein broke an article on August 30th that Dave Duncan might leave the Cardinals next year.  The Dodgers should jump into that fray, assuming that only 29 other teams would be interested.   Here’s a couple of excerpts from the article:

Duncan has expressed displeasure over the way his son Chris, a Cardinals outfielder who was traded to Boston earlier this summer, had been treated in the news media, and he ceased speaking to the St. Louis-area newspapers. He did take time to speak to an out-of-town reporter and pondered for a moment the notion that the highly successful partnership he and La Russa forged during the 1980s might soon be disbanded.

“It would be different,” he said. “Who knows what the future will bring?”

I am sure that there are lots of hidden dynamics here, not the least of which is the relationship between Duncan and LaRussa: over 25 years!  But hey, when we trade Russ Martin to the Red Sox, all we have to do is insist that Theo throw in Chris Duncan and then pay Plaschke and Simers to never write anything bad about the kid.  That could put the Dodgers at the head of the class.

Smart Stuff From Around the Web

Jon Weisman of Dodger Thoughts has a very insightful take on the Dodgers pitching:

Dodger relievers have thrown 20 1/3 consecutive scoreless innings and have a 0.79 ERA in 45 2/3 innings since Aug. 16. For the season, the bullpen has allowed the fewest runs per game in all of baseball (3.79) and has had the third-best percentage of inherited runners stranded, despite pitching the second-most innings, behind only San Diego. 

The acquisition of George Sherrill has certainly helped, but for a little perspective, he has only pitched 14 1/3 of the Dodgers’ 450 relief innings this season.

Sure, it would have been nice if Ronald Belisario hadn’t gone on the disabled list, if Cory Wade’s sophomore season hadn’t been relatively jinxed, if “Jonathan Broxton” and “sweat” never shared the same sentence, if everything were just perfect. But instead of perfect, Dodger fans will just have to settle for the best.

Dodger relievers are averaging 3.5 innings per game, only one out more than the major-league average. With an extra reliever on the roster compared with most teams, the extra workload is negligible, and the cost in terms of bench strength pretty minimal. And with 40-man-roster reinforcements further lightening the workload in September and off days helping out in a potential October, it’s time for people to just accept that the Dodger bullpen is a team strength and quite arguably the best in either league.

With 31 games left in the season, Dodger pitchers overall are second in the majors in adjusted ERA and tops in walks plus hits per inning (WHIP). In this era, you don’t need your starting pitchers to average six innings to have a great pitching staff.

John Sickels of Minor League Ball recounts the Dodgers Top 20 Prospects:

1) James McDonald, RHP, Grade B+: 4.11 ERA with 35/27 K/BB in 50 innings for the Dodgers, 46 hits. I think he’s capable of better.

2) Ethan Martin, RHP, Grade B: 4.02 ERA with 109/60 K/BB in 94 innings for Class A Great Lakes, 81 hits allowed. Strong K/IP and hit ratios reflect stuff, but needs to throw more strikes.

3) Ivan DeJesus JR, SS, Grade B: Out all year with a broken leg.

4) Andrew Lambo, OF, Grade B: Hitting .259/.312/.417 for Double-A Chattanooga. Hit .321/.383/.548 in April, but performance has been mediocre ever since.

5) Josh Lindblom, RHP, Grade B-: 4.00 ERA with 75/26 K/BB in 92 innings between Double-A and Triple-A, with particularly good performance at Albuquerque. Has come a long way very quickly.

6) Devaris Gordon, SS, Grade B-: hitting .305/.367/.401 with 69 steals in 93 attempts for Great Lakes. Lacks home run power, but speed and gap power look strong and he’s made progress refining his skills. Stock definitely up.

7) Ramon Troncoso, RHP, Grade C+: 2.66 ERA with 43/26 K/BB in 71 innings, a very solid rookie season.

8) Scott Elbert, LHP, Grade C+: 3.84 ERA with 125/44 K/BB in 96 innings between Double-A and Triple-A, 15/3 K/BB with 4.80 ERA in 15 major league innings.

9) Austin Gallagher, 3B, Grade C+: .257/.319/.345 in 60 games for Great Lakes, on DL since July 4th. Obviously not living up to potential.

10) Josh Bell, 3B, Grade C+:  Traded to Orioles, hitting .298/.383/.507 in Double-A this year. Coming along nicely.

11) Xavier Paul, OF, Grade C+: Has missed most of the season with a staph infection and a fractured ankle.

12) Chris Withrow, RHP, Grade C+: 4.72 ERA with 123/54 K/BB in 109 innings between Class A Inland Empire and Double-A. ERA is rather deceptive, as his component ratios have been pretty solid, though walk rate needs to come down. Breakthrough candidate for 2010.

13) Justin Miller, RHP, Grade C+:5.14 ERA with 78/60 K/BB in 140 innings, 163 hits between Great Lakes and Inland Empire. Best mark is 2.96 GO/AO ratio, but low strikeout rate and excessive hittability are bad signs.

14) Tony Delmonico, 2B, Grade C+: Hitting .285/.383/.430 for Great Lakes, converted to catcher, where he has performed adequately but needs more experience.

15) Pedro Baez, 3B, Grade C: Hitting .286/.326/.445 for Inland Empire. Needs better plate discipline.

16) Jaime Hoffman, OF, Grade C: Hitting .290/.387/.454 with 15 steals in 25 attempts between Double-A and Triple-A. Controls the zone well, has a touch of power and speed, but probably a Quadruple-A guy who will get stuck on the fringes.

17) Jesus Castillo, RHP, Grade C: 4.40 ERA with 80/52 K/BB in 141 innings for Chattanooga, 145 hits. Mediocre performance overall.

18) Kyle Russell, OF, Grade C: Hitting .273/.367/.549 with 26 homers, 15 steals in 17 attempts, 65 walks, 169 strikeouts in 455 at-bats for Great Lakes. Very impressive power/speed production, with lots of walks, but that strikeout rate is scary.

19) Nathan Eovaldi, RHP, Grade C: 3.49 ERA with 66/38 K/BB in 90 innings, 92 hits for Great Lakes. Rated as a sleeper pre-season, he hasn’t really broken through but hasn’t been bad either. Just 19 years old, has pitched better in the second half.

20) Javy Guerra, RHP, Grade C: 1.54 ERA with 55/15 K/BB in 41 innings for Great Lakes, 3.91 ERA with 23/16 K/BB in 23 innings for Chattanooga. Control took a step backwards after promotion, but he did skip a level.

The Dodgers farm system has thinned out over recent seasons, though the development of Gordon is a big help. Martin is a big breakthrough candidate for 2010, and Eovaldi, Delmonico, and Winthrop must all be watched closely. Lambo got a lot of hype with his hot start but his final Double-A line is going to be unimpressive overall. The 2009 draft adds a nice mixture of college and high school talent to the system, so the prospect list for ’10 will look considerably different.

Last Night’s Game Recap:  No Offense – Just 3 HR and 2 more Hits, Sherrill Blows Game, McDonald Loses it.  That’s all folks!

Minor League Recap – 8/31/09 by Jared of TrueBlueLA

Albuquerque won 6-5Josh Lindblom - 1 IP, Hit, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K’s (2.75 ERA)
Chattanooga lost 5-4
Trayvon Robinson – 2 for 4, 3B, R, 2 K’s, CS (.243 BA)
Andrew Lambo - 0 for 2, RBI, R, 2 BB (.256 BA)
Lucas May - 0 for 4 (.301 BA)



Javy Guerra - 2 IP, 0 Hits, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K’s (3.46 ERA)
Inland Empire did not play
Great Lakes won 6-4

Dee Gordon – 1 for 4, RBI, R, 2 K’s (.303 BA)
Kyle Russell - 1 for 4, 2B, RBI, R, K (.274 BA)
Jerry Sands - 0 for 2, BB (.216 BA)
Alfredo Silverio - 1 for 3, R, K (.274 BA)



Geison Aguasviva - 3 IP, 2 Hits, 0 R, BB, 3 K’s (1.63 ERA)
Cole St Clair - 1 IP, 2 Hits, 0 R, 0 BB, 0 K’s (2.62 ERA)
Ogden lost 6-4
BCG – 2 for 4, BB, K, E, OF Assist (.333 BA)
Mario Songco - 1 for 5, 3 K’s, PO (.343 BA)
JT Wise - 2 for 4, HR (5), 2 RBI, R, K (.304 BA)



Steven Ames - 2 IP, 2 Hits, 2 ER, BB, 3 K’s (1.95 ERA)
Player of the day – JT Wise, C


The 2009 5th rounder has enjoyed the cozy confines of the Pioneer league and feasting on left-handed pitching. Wise is batting a staggering .424 against them with a 1.230 OPS. Compare that to his split against righties, which is a somewhat disappointing .253 BA and .706 OPS. This mirrors his performance in college this spring, where he put up an insane 1.529 OPS against southpaws and a far more modest .846 OPS against righties. Hopefully JT can improve upon his same-handed counterparts as he advances through the Dodgers’ system

Tony Abreu – 2 for 3, RBI (.351 BA)
Chin Lung Hu - 3 for 4, 2B, RBI, R (.295 BA)
Blake DeWitt - 0 for 4, K (.256 BA)
Jamie Hoffman - 0 for 2, R, 2 BB, CS (.284 BA)

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56 Responses to “These Deals Won’t Help Us Win The Pennant…”

  1. Badger says:

    Well tme article on how good our bullpen is.

    We showed some power last night. That’s a good thing. Now, how about some with runners on base.

    Why do we have so much trouble with second rate clubs?

    Pierre must be scratching his head. Jim Thome? To use him effectively, we have to win the West, then win two series, one of which may not be at home.

    Troncoso is still considered a prospect? Paul only a C+? Lindblom a B-? Does this guy just look at names and guess? And, Josh Bell? When was this done? Get current dude.

  2. DRomo says:

    Mark, Chris Duncan was released by the Red Sox about 10 days ago. But I get your point Duncan is a great pitching coach.

    Very disappointing game last night. The trades made it exciting but I feel we should start sweeping these bottom feeding teams like we did in the beginning of the season. If our bats don’t start heating up it wont matter who we traded for.

  3. Ken says:

    Abreu is a steep price to pay for Garland (considering his 2010 pay of $10 mil). Maybe DeWitt has a future on the Dodgers after all.

    Give Schmidt’s salary to Dave Duncan and hold on to the ride with a Dodger Staff ERA of under 3.00 next year!!!!! Imagine the pitchers who would want to come to LA with Duncan as the Pitching Coach!! Ok not the whole $16 mil. Maybe Duncan can teach pitching philisophy to the Dodger hitters so that they will undestand what the oppossing pitchers are trying to do to them. Is the problem with the Dodger hitters their swing or their Heads, or Both?

  4. Badger says:

    Well it is now officially September and this is the month we light the candle.

    We still have a 1 game lead on the Cards, and their schedule for this month looks relatively easy too. They play a lot of Central teams who are all at .500 or lower. They start with several games against Pittsburgh and Milwaukee and finish with 3 at home against the Brewers. The last two weeks of the month, they are on the road for most games but the only good club they play then is Colorado.

    Jim Thome? Man, that’s thinking ahead isn’t it.

  5. Badger says:

    Wait a minute…. Abreu is the player? I thought he was to be named later?

    Jon Garland traded to Los Angeles
    by Jim McLennan on Sep 1, 2009 12:16 AM EDT in News 50 comments

    More photos » by John Amis – AP
    Jon Garland, center, gathers with other teammates in the closing moments of a game against the Braves. He’s a D-back no more.

    Browse more photos »

    “Jon Garland has been traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers. SI’s Jon Heyman broke the news of the trade on his Twitter feed. Per KTAR’s feed, it’s “for a player to be named later. Player needs to clear waivers.” Gambo, through KTAR, is saying “D-backs will pay remainder of salary this year and potentially buyout for next season,” which certainly makes it seem we should be getting someone semi-decent in return if we’re also playing Garland’s salary.

    As quoted in the comments, one source has Tony Abreu as the potential PTBNL He’s a 24-year old infielder, who has hit .347 in 48 games at Triple-A. Could he be our starting second baseman of 2010? Other reports – but I want to stress these are as yet completely unconfirmed – have the player as Dee Gordon, a shortstop with blazing speed, who’s the son of Tom Gordon.”

    OK, if either of these players is the PTBNL I am officially not happy with this deal. We have Padilla and Haeger, both of whom have shown they can get people out. We have Weaver who has done a good job for us. Why do we need a sub .500 pitcher with an inflated WHIP?

  6. Badger says:

    This helps soften the blow:

    Update 2: Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic writes that Arizona will pay the remainder of Garland’s 2009 salary plus any option payment for 2010.

    I wonder what they mean by “any option payment”?

    I hope Jed knows what he is doing here.

  7. Ken says:

    If Wolf, Kershaw, Bills and Kuroda are all healthy next year and Garland is in the Dodger’s starting rotation next year he just might be the highest priced 5th starter in MLB at $10 mil

    Ace Meter Update

    Wolf 3.07 (2009 is a Career Year?)
    Kershaw 3.28 (Should improve in 2010)
    Kuroda 3.44
    Bills 3.58 (Should improve in 2010)
    Garland 3.97

    Haeger 4.17
    Padilla 4.20
    Weaver 4.22

    Alot of Dodgers have got to be very happy today, not being traded, someone ahead of them being traded, and the team improving this year and next.

  8. Ken says:

    Well maybe Padilla is not too happy today. I feel a wild streak coming. Haeger should learn how to warm up quick and be a long reliever for next year. Weaver is set for next year.

  9. Ty says:

    Did we really need Garland? He’ll give us 5 starts this month. I doubt he’d make the playoff rotation so why give up a guy with potential in Abreu for a one month rental? AZ got a steal

  10. Badger says:

    There is also the $10 million option if he stays Ken. That would sweeten the deal hey? Nice move Jed.

    But, seriously, having that money paid is a good deal for the Dodgers. I sure hope he likes pitching in Dodger Stadium. The league is hitting .286 against him this year.

    But I hate giving up either of those players named. Gordon has speed and is a legit prospect, and Abreu is our one hitting prospect that is ready to play at the big league level. And we send him to a rival for a rental?

    I sure hope this works out.

  11. Badger says:

    Jim Thome?

  12. Guest says:

    Mark, your previous blog should have been titled “The Dodgers will look alot different tommorow.” Who gets the boot from the 40 man?

  13. Bill Russell says:

    I told you yesterday that O-Doggie is coming back as everyone was projecting Abreu as their starting 2nd baseman next season. Why worry about Abreu or clank as his glove is made of steel. He’ll be injuried next year trying to play a full season anyway. Abreu and Webb can become good workout buddies.

    Padilla may be released if he starts going over to the dark side now. Just watching Padilla in the dugout reminds me of seeing Charles Manson on the news. The glazed eyes and crazy serial killer look.

    It looks like Ned wants to win this year. I’m hoping that Joe can talk Thome into a few games at 1st base before the season ends. Well Manny got his wish of reunitting with his buddie Jim.

  14. Bill Russell says:

    By the way the Dodgers got the steal, They sold Abreu while his value was high.

  15. lawdog says:

    I underastand the deal for Thome. We got a very god hitter for a song. But the deal for Abreu has me scratching my head–just like the deal for Belliard. We need a 6th pitcher for the rotation with a 4.50 era and a record of 8-13 who becomes way too pricey to keep next year–(notice Ned has the Arizona team responsible for the buy outs but not the contract in chief next season)? We gave up our best infield prospect for a guy who is going to ride pine and then leave us after this next month.

    Not good business. Garland is not “insurance” he’s just a very mediocre pitcher. We don’t need him and we aren’t going to use him. This one makes me angry!

  16. tdf says:

    Hey, im with you on this one lawdog, i feel exactly the same way you do.

  17. Mark Timmons says:

    It’s not a big sampling, but Garland has a 1.50 ERA at Dodger Stadium, and it’s against the best hitting team in the league.

  18. DRomo says:

    Abreu will probably become a is just our luck but oh well I think we weren’t thrilled with him for other reasons. Injuries have a little to do with it, but he had work ethic issues in the past and also tried to sue the club via his agent (Scott Boras).

    I have a feeling Garland will be a great addition for us. He will be in the playoff rotation for sure if he does well here. If Bills doesn’t perk up I wouldn’t say he is a lock for a starting spot in the 1st round. I feel bad for Charlie Knuckles. He had 1 bad start and lost his spot.

  19. Mark Timmons says:

    1. Remember how I was ridiculed when I suggested Charlie might lose his spot for that bad start? How do you like me now?

    2. Garland started the season badly with a 5.47 ERA in April and 5.97 in May, but settled down and had a 3.82 ERA in June, 3.00 in July and 3.89 in August.

    3. Sometimes a change of scenery and a new pitching coach (even if it is HoneyBunchesOfOats) can re-focus a vet like Garland. I would not be surprised to see him throw a shutout or two.

    4. I had hopes for Abreu and I do think he’l be a decent, if not good, player, but remember a few years ago when we traded Antonio Perez? Many thought he was going to be the “second coming” and he couldn’t even hit his weight. He was outta baseball soon thereafter.

  20. Mark Timmons says:

    More moves coming soon…

  21. Badger says:

    The same thing was said about LaRoche Bill and he is now an everyday player hitting 4th in a Major League lineup. There is no reason to believe Abreu will remain injured his whole career and the clank label is just not accurate. He has worked hard on his fielding and has shown improvement. And he is a stone cold hitter. All he needs is a chance. And looks like he will get it with a rival team.

    Garland is likely a rental, depending on how well he pitches for the next month and half. As was mentioned, he is scheduled to make 10 mil next year, and unless his numbers improve dramatically, he ain’t worth that much. I would hope for 10 mil we could get a number 2. Garland has a 1.5 ERA at Dodger Stadium huh? How many innings. And don’t forget, the league is hitting .286 against him and he has 1.43 WHIP. Maybe that improves with the Dodgers. He does eat up innings, but he gives up runs.

    As for Thome, yeah, I suppose since he isn’t costing anything other than a roster spot, he is a more powerful PH down the stretch. But, he is a DH, not a PH with only scattered at bats in that capacity over his career. He doesn’t get into this lineup until the World Series.

    Belliard? I still don’t know about him. Nice intro last night, but he looked like Ronnie Belliard his last three at bats. I still think I would rather see Abreu there.

    The fact of the matter is, the position players on this team need to start hitting or having 6 1/2 starters on this team won’t mean diddly.

  22. Mark Timmons says:

    What if?

    1. What if Charlie Haeger had pitched a 2-hit shutout in his last start?

    2. Would we still have traded Abreu for Garland?

    3. And if we didn’t trade Abreu for Garland, would we have traded for Belliard?

    Charlie Haeger, See what one bad start can do?!

  23. Mark Timmons says:


    Garland has 6 inning logged at Dodger Stadium (small sampling).

  24. Voldomer says:

    Badger, you say LaRoche is batting cleanup for a major league team. I thought he was still with the Pirates? 8)

    I think Garland insurance against Wolf leaving after this season. Also, it appears he’s had success against the Cards and Yanks, less so against the BoSox, and not so much against the Phils.

  25. Voldomer says:

    Two other things I forgot earlier:

    Maybe Thome can help with whatever is wrong with Manny? It seems they were very close in Cleveland, and Manny has commented about his desire to be reunited with Thome (albeit in Cleveland).

    It would be hard to justify dumping Honeycutt given the Dodgers’ team pitching stats, but admittedly Duncan would be tempting. I wonder how he would feel about being some sort of organizational pitching guru?

  26. Badger says:

    In 16.1 innings Haeger has given up 7 earned runs. His ERA is considerably better than Garland’s and his WHIP is much better too.

    I have a feeling the Dodgers just don’t have confidence in the man. Oh well. A starting rotation of Bills, Kershaw, Kuroda, Garland, Padilla, Haeger and Weaver looks pretty……. weird actually.

    Duncan seems pretty pissed off right now. Maybe he would take the Dodger job if offered, and Honeycutt can be the roving minor league instructor.

  27. Kay in L.A. says:

    Romo, you got it: The Boomer was my crush, but I got over it.

    Badger, hush my mouth also. Belliard can hit, now can he please get a decent hairdo.

    Management is hinting strongly that Kuroda may start on Sunday.

    Wheeling and dealing reeks to me of instant championship vs. team-building. How does Manny feel? He is not longer the star. I guess he has to co-star with Thome.

    I’m really happy we keep Loney. I hope he starts showing how much he feels the same.

  28. DRomo says:

    Kay, I dont think we mortgaged much of the future for these moves. Sure they will help us have a better chance to win THIS YEAR but it did nothing to dicourage “Team Building” if that is what you meant.

    I don’t think Loney has much to worry about. He is our 1B for the rest of this season. As for the offseason….I think he is a goner, IF there is another option. Thome may play a little 1B but I doubt he will be out there at all in big games. That said…can you imagine if he was in the lineup though? WOW!! Power bats #2-#6 or 7!

  29. Bill Russell says:

    Yep, you got me again Badger. LaRoche is hitting cleanup for a major league team and currently has 7 homeruns. He’s a beast.

  30. DRomo says:

    It’s like Mark always said: Precious Andy just needed a chance. He is tearing up the league as promised. “You can’t stop LaRoche you can only hope to contain him”

  31. Bill Russell says:

    Andy has 7 dingers and so does Loney. If Loney gets traded, he too will probably step right into the cleanup role.

  32. Badger says:

    You guys missed the point.

    Some gave La Roche a rep of being injury prone. Even some in here said he was, don’t remember if it was you guys are not, but many did. He is now an everyday player with one full year under his belt. He will get better. All he needed was an opportunity.

  33. Badger says:

    And yeah, there is more than one team on which Loney would be a clean-up hitter.

  34. Ken says:

    I am very surprised that the Dodgers kept Repko over Hoffmann. One more Dodger to get DFA’d before gametime to activate Garland and then who goes when Kuroda comes back, and who goes when Eyechart comes back, and who goes when Ohman comes back? And then who is left in the Minors?

    Maybe Garland will be activated tommorrow after Padilla starts and Haeger relieves tonight and the last cut occurs after the game is over.

    Maybe the Dodgers will open an old folks home at Dodger stadium and charge admission before the games to hear stories from this new old team of the good old days.

  35. Bill Russell says:

    I wonder who the other teams are that Loney or LaRoche would be cleanup hitters for? Anyway Mr Badger, you don’t think it was a stretch in saying Andy is a cleanup hitter for a Major League team?
    Ken brings up some good points about who’s in and who’s out in the next few days. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Haeger out because it appears The staff isn’t that high on knuckleballers. Padilla could end up being released now that Garland is aboard or before someone is killed in the club house. Could Loretta be on his way out? Castrol? Will Hu end up on the Major league roster to back up Furcal? It is going to get interesting.

  36. Mark Timmons says:

    Tonight’s lineup:

    Furcal, SS

    Kemp, CF

    Ethier, RF

    Manny, LF

    Blake, 3B

    Hudson, 2B

    Martin, C

    Loney, 1B

    Padilla, P

  37. Mark Timmons says:

    Doug Mientkiewicz and Will Ohman probably won’t be back anytime soon, in fact, Thome has made Dougie expendable, because it’s doubtful that Mientkiewicz can play the field. He would be valuable if he could play 1B, 3B, LF and RF, but he can’t throw.

    I think Eric Stults will be the next one released.

  38. Badger says:

    Well, Pittsburgh may not be a very good team, and jokes could be made about them, but the fact is, they are a Major League ball club and up until last week, Andy La Roche was batting in the 4 hole in that lineup.

    As for who Loney could bat clean-up for, how about the Royals? Their clean-up hitter has 45 RBI’s. Oakland? Their clean-up hitter is batting around .250. Maybe San Diego, maybe San Francisco – Loney is a decent RBI guy that could help a lot of clubs. Maybe not yours, but, some. Shoot, according to you, Pittsburgh needs a new one. There are probably a few other clubs Loney would hit 3rd on.

    Why the defensive posture Bill? I thought you were over the whole La Roche thing. Evidently not.

  39. alan says:

    If the Dodgers ownership really wanted to win the championship, they would have signed Sabathia or at least Burnett in the winter, or gotten Cliff Lee in July. But the first two were too expensive for McCourt, and Lee would have cost him his precious minor leaguers. So now, when it is too late to get a real pitching ace, they pick up Padilla and now Garland; and are giving away our best minor leaguers one by one (Bell for Sherrill, now Abreu), rather than in one meaningful package for a real pitching talent.

    And then next year we will be told that Garland is part of the regular rotation, and that we do not need to go into the free agent market for a pitcher. And we will come up short again. You win championships with pitching aces, not with the likes of Garland or Billingsley. The Yankees figured that out. The Dodgers either didn’t, or are just too cheap.

  40. Bill Russell says:

    I was over the LaRoche thing until you throw it out again today. You know the right button to push and you pushed it. If you want to blame someone for bringing it up again today, look in the mirror. I haven’t posted the stats in awhile, You know Blake vs LaRoche- so maybe later this week when I have some time, I’ll put them up. In the mean time. I’ll not bring it up unless you speak about the great cleanup hitter in Pittsburgh again. I know your type and I know if the tides were turned, you’d be in here flappin your gums everyday about it. Peace

  41. SpokaneBob says:

    I think it is the way Billingsly has been pitching, not Haeger’s bad start, that scared Ned into getting Garland. He knew what it would take and so he got Ronnie so he could make the deal. If Billingsly can’t right his ship, without another starter we have no chance in the post season.

  42. Mark Timmons says:


    The Dodgers do not have nearly the amount of Revenue that The Yankees do, due to TV Contracts. The Dodgers spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player salaries than the Yankees. Is the team supposed to lose money?

    The Red Sox have spent nearly as much and look where they are.

    The Phillies payroll was about 1/3 of the Yankees last year. \

    Money dosn’t always buy the Championship.

    By all accounts the Dodgers offer for Lee was as good or better than the Phils – It’s just that the Indians preferred some of the prospects (positions) from the Phils more.

  43. Badger says:


    Some people just have thin skin. You won the bet – but you missed the point. Get over it.

    Jed seems to be the master at picking up veteran players that cost nothing, or certainly very little. I wonder if that is on order from the boss? Remember, when McJamie first bought this club, he hired a young moneyball guy to manage the payroll. That didn’t work out, so he went out and got a guy that was trained by Sabean. Could be that the Dodger owner doesn’t yet have the cash to do it the way he would really like to do it.

    This is the year. Many of these guys could be gone right after the last out of the season.

  44. Badger says:

    Looks like we are starting the varsity tonight.

    Padilla on pace for a quick exit.

    Loney batting in the second clean-up spot – 8th. Joe sure likes to change things doesn’t he.

  45. Mark Timmons says:


    You are right on. McCourt has cash flow problems and has to watch the budget very carefully. That will change as the TV deal kicks in a few years from now and when Dodgertown is complete.


    I didn’t know Padilla could hit 97 MPH! He could be valuable in the pen.

  46. Badger says:

    Grace and Sutton, the dbacks t.v. guys think the gun is screwed up. Grace said he has faced Padilla and he never threw that hard before.

    Well, he is now.

  47. GoNzO says:

    Badger, I think BIll is trying to say that LaRoche would not be a cleanup hitter on any other team. In my opinion, he probably wouldn’t be starting on another team that is a mid to high market team. He will get better because of the opportunity given. I don’t think ABreu will be a star but, I think he will be better than Laroche offensively.

  48. Badger says:

    But, Gonzo, what I said was in reference to Abreu being injury prone. The same thing was said, by some here, about La Roche also being injury prone. He is now a full time player, that is, playing injury free every day and is, for a first year player, being relatively productive. He has slumped lately, but that isn’t and wasn’t the point.

    There is no reason to believe that Abreu won’t be an everyday player.

    And of course La Roche wouldn’t be a clean-up hitter on most teams. He was hot for a while and that is why he was tried there. He is not there anymore, having cooled off considerably. I still think he has the potential to be a very good player in this league. He is only 25 and this is his first year of being on the field everyday. I think Abreu will also be a fine player in this league.

  49. Badger says:

    I don’t get to see these guys often, but when I do, watching these floundering at bats against a bad club, I have to wonder how the hell they got the best record in the National League.

    I seem to say this a lot – anytime offense.

  50. Bill Russell says:

    Badger we finally agree on something today. I too am worried about the Dodger offense. Ethier saved Troncoso’s butt tonight with that web gem catch in the 8th. It looks like Troncoso should join Mota for a rest on the DL. I am hoping that the offense can string some hits together tomorrow and that Bills will start looking like the Bills we once had. We’ll have to watch his velocity to see if it’s his arm or head. I heard that Kuroda pitched tonight 15 miles down the road in San Bernardino but I haven’t heard the results yet. I’m hoping for a good report card because he is needed during a playoff run. I hope that Eric Karros is correct when he predicts Atlanta winning the wild care race. I would hate to face Philly or St Louis in the first round of the playoffs this year and if Colorado or SF wins the wild care, that will be reality. I’ll take the win tonight even if it wasn’t very impressive. Well Ethiers catch and Kemp’s blast was impressive but the rest is lacking. Go Blue

  51. Ken says:

    The further adventures of Judy?

    8/25/09 – Hey Travis we are going to send you to the AFL this winter. It will be great for your development.

    9/1/09 – Hey Travis sorry to hear about your bad back. We are going to put you on the 60-day DL. Wispering… because we have no place on our roster to put Tomey..


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