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I’d Rather Lose Without Him Than Win With Him!



 By Mark Timmons

Maybe I am just “old school,” but I have heard plenty of Dodger fans rag on Barry Bonds for cheating, and I am not going to belabor martin-interviewthis point, but we just found out that we have a cheater on our team (actually we have two, because Mota was suspended for 50 games a couple of years ago).   This cheater is different, however in that he has cheated before and we knew about it.  He left his beloved Cleveland for a huge contract in Boston.  It was all about the money!  He told his teammates in Boston that he would “do anything” to get out of Boston because he could get a $150 million deal on the open market, and then he faked injuries and quit on the team – everyone knows it, so that they HAD to get rid of him.  It was all about the money!   Then, he held out for that big contract and in Ned Colletti’s finest hour, he beat down the great Scott Boras and the Cheater had to sign for less.  It was still all about the money!   Now, we find that he was taking a women’s fertility drug of the variety used to cause his body to produce testosterone.  It was all about making more money!  This is a drug commonly used by steroid users at the end of their steroid cycle.  I doubt that there is a doctor who really prescribed this drug for him for the purpose he proclaims.  But, if he were to sue that doctor like JC Romero did, then I might change my mind.  If a doctor prescribed a medication for me that would cost me about $8 million, I would be inclined to sue, wouldn’t you?   If the Cheater were a really stand up guy, he would address his teammates and be there to root them on during his suspension, but he’s too “scrambled” or is it still just all about the money?  So, the way I see it, is that if his story is true, he will sue the doctor and then I might welcome him back, but if there is no lawsuit, I would rather lose without a cheater than win with one.  You can spin it all you want, but if there is no suit, he’s a cheater!  End of story!  Am I happy about this?  Not at all!  The Cheater brought excitement and hope to this team, and an energy that is currently depleted.  He was one of the best in the game and I hate the feeling I have right now, but not as much as I would hate winning with a Cheater!


Last night, the Dodgers looked like a team that had lost their best player.  The Dodgrs looked like a bunch of youngsters who just found out that their Idol was a Cheater.  Oh wait, they are!  Billingsley didn’t pitch badly, but we all know he’s better.  Zito pitched very well, andwhile we know that good pitching stops good hitting, the Dodgers let some very good scoring opportunities slip through their hands.  Raffy and Andre left 9 runners on base between them.  They looked a little “deflated” to me and I guess that is to be expected.    Someone needs to step up and take over this team’s leadership position  Who will it be?  O-Dog?  Raffy?  Matt?  Somebody please step up.  Also, we have to consider that something additional may come out and the Cheater my never play again.  You never know.  As Ned Colletti said about another player, “if he’s not here, I don’t count on him playing again.”  We will see.


San Francisco AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
Lewis, LF 3 0 2 0 1 0 1 .312
  Affeldt, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1.000
  Valdez, M, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
  Schierholtz, RF 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
Renteria, SS 3 1 2 1 1 0 1 .255
Winn, RF-LF 4 0 1 0 1 1 1 .228
Sandoval, P, C 4 0 1 1 0 0 3 .298
Rowand, CF 2 0 0 1 1 0 3 .214
Ishikawa, 1B 3 0 0 0 0 3 1 .191
Uribe, 3B 4 1 2 0 0 1 3 .289
Burriss, 2B 4 1 2 0 0 1 1 .253
Zito, P 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 .111
  a-Velez, PH-LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .150
  Wilson, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Totals 30 3 10 3 4 7 15  
a-Hit a sacrifice bunt for Zito in the 7th.
TB: Lewis 2; Renteria 2; Winn; Sandoval, P; Uribe 2; Burriss 2.
RBI: Rowand (12), Renteria (12), Sandoval, P (10).
2-out RBI: Sandoval, P.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Lewis; Uribe 2; Rowand 2.
S: Zito; Velez.
SF: Rowand; Renteria.
GIDP: Renteria.
Team RISP: 1-for-6.
CS: Lewis (2, 2nd base by Billingsley/Martin), Renteria (2, 2nd base by Troncoso/Martin).FIELDING
Outfield assists: Lewis (Martin at 2nd base).
DP: 3 (Uribe-Burriss-Ishikawa 2, Renteria-Burriss-Ishikawa).
Furcal, SS 5 0 1 0 0 1 5 .250
Hudson, 2B 2 0 0 0 2 2 1 .333
Ethier, RF 4 0 1 0 0 1 4 .310
Kemp, CF 4 1 1 0 0 1 2 .288
Martin, C 3 0 2 0 1 0 1 .267
Loretta, 1B 3 0 0 0 1 1 3 .333
  1-Paul, PR 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
  Troncoso, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Blake, 3B 4 0 1 1 0 1 2 .245
Billingsley, P 3 0 1 0 0 1 1 .200
  Belisario, P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
  Loney, 1B 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 .288
Pierre, LF 2 0 1 0 1 0 1 .378
Totals 31 1 9 1 5 8 20  
1-Ran for Loretta in the 8th.
2B: Furcal (5, Zito), Blake (5, Zito).
TB: Furcal 2; Ethier; Kemp; Martin 2; Blake 2; Billingsley; Loney; Pierre.
RBI: Blake (17).
2-out RBI: Blake.
Runners left in scoring position, 2 out: Kemp; Ethier 2; Billingsley; Blake.
GIDP: Loretta; Furcal 2.
Team RISP: 1-for-9.
CS: Pierre (2, 3rd base by Zito/Sandoval, P).FIELDING
DP: (Hudson-Loretta).
San Francisco IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Zito (W, 1-2) 6.0 8 1 1 2 5 0 3.57
Affeldt (H, 6) 1.1 0 0 0 1 1 0 3.29
Valdez, M (H, 1) 0.1 0 0 0 2 1 0 4.00
Wilson (S, 7) 1.1 1 0 0 0 1 0 3.07
Billingsley (L, 5-1) 7.0 8 3 3 4 5 0 2.45
Belisario 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.95
Troncoso 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 2.25
IBB: Lewis (by Billingsley).
HBP: Pierre (by Zito), Ishikawa (by Billingsley).
Pitches-strikes: Zito 126-83, Affeldt 20-9, Valdez, M 15-4, Wilson 28-20, Billingsley 115-66, Belisario 17-11, Troncoso 9-7.
Groundouts-flyouts: Zito 4-7, Affeldt 3-0, Valdez, M 0-0, Wilson 3-0, Billingsley 8-7, Belisario 1-1, Troncoso 0-1.
Batters faced: Zito 26, Affeldt 4, Valdez, M 3, Wilson 4, Billingsley 32, Belisario 4, Troncoso 3.
Inherited runners-scored: Wilson 2-0.
Umpires: HP: Sam Holbrook. 1B: Dan Iassogna. 2B: Charlie Reliford. 3B: Larry Vanover.
Weather: 72 degrees, clear.
Wind: 8 mph, Out to CF.
T: 3:14.
Att: 51,209.
May 8, 2009Box score official statistics approved by Major League Baseball Office of the Commissioner





The Great Lakes Loons lost 6-3 as Ethan Martin lost his first game.  He gave up 6 Hits, 3 ER and 3 BB in 4 innings.  His ERA now sits at 2.16.


The Inland Empire 66′ers lost 7-4 as Chris Withrow got hit fairly hard.  His era is now 5.58.  Robinson, Van Slyke, Giles and Garabedian all got two hits, but stranded too many runners, just like the big club.


The Chatanooga Lookouts won 4-2 behind six strong innings by Scott Elbert who pitched 6 innings, allowing no earned runs and striking out 9.  His ERA is now at 1.42.  Josh Bell  (.290) and Lucas May (now up to .240) both had 2 hits.


The Albuquerque Isotopes won 16-8 on a season-high 19 hits, five home runs and a 16 runs en route to a 16-8 series-opening victory over the New Orleans Zephyrs (12-16) Friday night at Isotopes Park. Four ‘Topes fell a triple short of hitting for the cycle, including Dee Brown and Mitch Jones who each went 4-for-5 with a combined 11 RBI. Albuquerque tied a record-high 10 extra-base hits to back a strong outing by Miguel Pinanago.   Down 1-0, Albuquerque got the bats going in the bottom of the third, plating two on an RBI groundout from Chin-Lung Hu and a solo shot from Blake DeWitt to claim a 2-1 lead. The ‘Topes extended their advantage witha run-scoring single up the middle from Jones before exploding for four runs in the fifth and sixth.   Albuquerque batted around in the fifth, using a Jason Repko solo shot to get things going. After a single from Hu and a walk to Valentino Pascucci, Brown and Jones laced back-to-back doubles to deliver three more runs and a 7-1 edge.   DeWitt followed suit in the bottom of the sixth, shooting a double to center field before Brown and Jones teed up for another back-to-back performance. The pair blasted consecutive home runs extending the Isotopes lead to a comfortable 11-1.   The lead slowly dissipated as the Zephyrs scathed the ‘Topes bullpen for four runs in the seventh andtwo in the eighth, trimming their deficit to 11-7, but the Albuquerque offense didn’t miss a beat, putting up five runs in the eighth.   The ‘Topessent five straight batters, all of whom would score, to the plate before the Z’s were able to record an out. After Hu singled and DeWitt walked, Pascucci and Brown delivered consecutive singles to plate two more ‘Topes runs. Jones capped the scoring withhis second home run of the night, a three-run shot to right field to add three for a 16-7 Isotopes lead.   Repko, DeWitt, Brown and Jones, who combined for 14 of Albuquerque’s 19 hits, came just a three-bagger away from hitting for the cycle. Jones finished with a season-high six RBI, while Brown knocked in five.   The hitting barrage was complemented by a solid outing by Pinango(2-3), who, despite putting two runnersaboard at one point in each of the first three innings, notched his second win and first since Opening Day. Pinango snapped a three-game losing streak, scattering five hits for just one run over six innings with four strikeouts. The  righty sat down the last six batters he  faced.   The Isotopes look to continue their winning ways, sending southpaw Shawn Estes (1-1, 1.80) to the mound tomorrow to take on Mike Wood (0-1, 6.28) in a 7:05 p.m. start from The Lab.


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45 Responses to “I’d Rather Lose Without Him Than Win With Him!”

  1. lawdog says:

    The Dogs played like dogs last night. Zito shut them down without his only good pich working for him–the curve. The Dodgers made his 84 mph fatball look like a 104 fastball.

    I wanted to believe Manny’s story. I even rationalized his situation for him. If I had that dreaded problem, the last thing I’d want is to make it public.

    But while under normal circumstances I’d prefer anything to a problem like that becoming public knowledge and interfering with my professional image, I’d rather have that problem become public than lose close to $8 million dollars and team mates, fans and owners. Particularly when the Doc could have written him a script for Viagra and taken care of the problem.

    It only makes sense to sue a doctor if he has insurance and/or major assets he can’t liquidate or fraudulently transfer to a friend who will appear to a trier of fact to be a bona fide purchaser for value who knows nothing about the underlying circumstances. If the doc has neither and you go forward with your lawsuit, even a slam dunk is going to cost you because no lawyer willtake it on a contingent fee basis unless there is a guarantee of getting paid when your done. Then you can take your judgment and paper the wall with it. Figure on hiring another lawyer for years of “dollar down chase me around” time.

    We need Manny to bring forth the Doctor–his name and certified copies of his file in order to verify his story.

    I don’t see that happening. I think Manny had the “problem” because he used the juice–probably to get rid of the hammy problem he had in the spring before the season started. His body doesn’t look like what one would expect from a long time cheater like Bonds. I’d like to believe that he did it this one time to be ready for the season and “earn” the big money he was going to receive. But that’s because I like him and want to believe he’s not a “real” cheater.

    I believe everyone deserves a second chance. Let’s wait and see how he plays after he gets back and is juice free on the 4th of July.

  2. Badger says:

    Jeez, mover, you sound like the duck. Why don’t we just execute him and be done with it?

    I say let the idiot serve his time and as long as he stays clean, let him hit in our lineup. But you know me, I am liberal.

    And you say “it was always about the money” like that is some new revelation about a player. When has it not been about the money?

    It might take some time to find a new identity. Then again, this team might just revert to pre-Manny and be a .500 ball club. If that’s the case, I guess I’ll take it, and when Manny gets back, we go back to .600 ball and still win the division. The sky didn’t fall. Not yet anyway. As for what others are saying about our “cheating” Dodgers – who cares! – frikin’ hypocrites if you ask me. Every team in the league has and has had cheaters. Ours is just dumber than the others.

  3. Badger says:

    Dear mover,

    You look good in a booth – I feel like I should hand you a dollar or a token or something. Keep up the good work.

    Mayhaps you can get a job with the Dodgers and then you can get us all passes.

    Love Always,


  4. Mark Timmons says:

    I am all for second chances, but I don’t believe he is telling the truth…

    Time will tell.

    With some players it is all about the money, but that’s not true with all players. Like the old Beatles song says: “Money Can’t Buy Me Love.” Adrian Beltre learned that the hard way!

    Ned Colletti told us that the Dodgers would sign anyone that turly wanted to be a Dodger.

  5. lawdog says:

    Hey Harold! Don’t leave us just because most of us are ill mannered, self-centered, arrogant toads who want to push our opinions on the others who “need our guiding hand” and haven’t “seen the light”. I’ve noticed your posts and the flow of the board would the lesser without them. We need kind and gentle souls here to temper the tone and keep the discussions from degenerating into schoolyard scrapes.

    Now if you want to get involved in the middle of a virtual cat fight that won’t get you terminated from the board by Mover, do what I did on the LA Times board which is now defunct–but the source from which most of us here originally came. I couldn’t get anybody to respond to what I was saying because it was a closed group of friends and what I was saying wasn’t controversial. So I was getting no responses which was worse than getting no respect to a lawyer. So I posted an opinion that our future ace Darren Dreifort (this is before his arm fell off the first time) should go to our estimable piching coach (who only knew how to throw knuckleballs) and get him to teach Darren how to throw the floater. Dreifort needed a change up and what pitch would work better? Besides, it would give Charely an excuse to actually earn his salary since he couldn’t throw anything else. Then I quoted George Benard Shaw: “He who can does, he who can’t teaches!” and with my tongue in cheek, punched the Times’ equivelant of “Say It”.

    It was pure heaven. Almost everyone on the board called me an a$$hole, that Dreifort was a fastball pitcher, that practically no one was able to pitch a knuckleball. Then they started messing with my moniker, calling me “Lawndog”–things like that. By the time they figured out that I wqsn’t serious, they had interacted with me sufficiently to notice my posts as they scoot by into oblivion on the daily thread.

    Or, if you don’t want to pull someone’s leg and be the target of momentary anger, just tell some of our experiences. If you’ve been a fan since the 50s like me you’ve got lots of stuff to share with the youngsters here who were still wrapped in diapers when Koufax was throwing his no hitters or Duke Snider was hitting 40 home runs every year.

    Make sure you stay on topic and don’t attack anyone personally unless it’s obviously a joke. Mario can’t post here anymore because he took what looked like a joke to begin with and wouldn’t let it go until it became clear that it was a personal attack.

    There is a poster who posts here who hates me still because he doesn’t think I have enough respect for his favorite president. The problem arose on another board were discussing politics is still fair game. Some people hold grudges so long that no apology is big enough or good enough to restore peace. Believe me, I’ve tried and failed every time. The ironic part is that he’s the only other poster on this board I’ve actually met, face to face, back before the war when we agreed on most baseball issues.

    I think I speak for the entire board when I say: “Stay Harold! Please stay!”

  6. Mark Timmons says:

    There you have it Harold, right from the horse’s, A—-, ‘er mouth!

  7. Miguel Salcido says:

    Hahahahaha, this is why this place instantly became my favorite blog when I first visited! Hey guys, I posted that JuanPierreWood post and just now say all the hoopla in the comments. I just left a comment there telling Harold that we luv him and that I was not taking any shots at Pierre, in fact I heart Juan Pierre, not man crush style but I respect him as a man and as a player.

  8. Miguel Salcido says:

    As far as that guy goes, he needs to either produce proof (like lawdog and Mark say) that it was not tied to roids and that it was a doctor screw up. But that does not seem likely since there are better medications out there these days to treat what that drug is intended to treat. Plus, players can get exemptions for meds, all they have to do is present it to MLB and the testing program and get it added to their list and then he can take it all the time without worry. Players know this, he knew it.

    I think that Simers put it well when he noted that the guy needs to just come totally clean with all of it and repent and ask for forgiveness by being open about it all. NO player has done this yet and it would be unprecedented. Admit that he did take PEDs and has and if wants to explain what drove him to it. Don’t lie, cover, or just say nothing.

    He is setting an example for kids everywhere. He was busted doing something very wrong and can still turn this around into a positive learning experience by coming totally clean with everyone and putting himself out there. This will be tough because of his introverted nature, but it needs to be done.

    Then, he needs to be there for his team through the next 48-47 games. Working out, talking to players and helping them, congratulating them, washing jock straps if he has to. But support his team in everyway to earn their respect back.

    And then he needs to sit in the stands, in the old mannywood, each game and personally apologize to all of the fans each game. Sit in the stands and get a real feel for what its like, sit with your people, the people who adored you, the people that you let down in the biggest way possible. Show them that you are human, that you are a man that admits his mistakes and that is truly sorry.

    I’ll leave you all with this last thought:

    The man who refuses to forgive destroys the bridge over which he himself must cross.

    — John Iverson

  9. Bill Russell says:

    I’ve only been on here for 18 months or so and I always thought Harold was one of the boys. I hope I wasn’t the one that chased him out of here. I never thought that Juanwood would cause any problems with Juan or any of the baseball fans in the park. It’s currently an empty section that McCourt / marketing was trying to fill with a new twist of packaging t-shirts and discounted ticket prices for our juiced up slugger. My thinking was to continue on the promotion and create some excitement for Juan and the fans. A way of getting the fans behind Juan Pierre with discounted tickets and t-shirts. Why let an empty section go to waste during this bad economy?

    With that being said it looks like Mark may be getting his wish of losing without Manny. Our offensive looks like it’s shifted from 4th gear back down into first. How can the presents of one man allow our players to relax and play at a higher level? How can Zito throw his 80 mph fastball and 79 mph curve ball bye our hitters? It just doesn’t make sence to me. Joe Torre has his hands full now figuring out a way to get us headed back in the right direction. Peace 8)

  10. lawdog says:

    Good thoughts Miguel. Someone close to him from your new circle of friends should suggest that to Manny. If he showed up for just the home games (there are 27 left in his suspension) and spent the first half of the game with the fans in Mannywood and maybe brought 100 Dodger Dogs to hand out free to the kids and free booklets on the evils of the juice and just hang with his fans. Then he could beat feet back to the dugout and hang with the team. Bring his spirit back even if he has to leave his brass glove and golden bat in the clubhouse.

    When he finally came back on the 4th of July he’d get a hero’s welcome which would probably bring the whole magical thing back. And Manny’s energy is just as responsible for our improved play as is his bat. After all, in all those games we were winning we he only got to bat 4 or 5 times and ended up getting 4 wide ones half the time.

    I think Manny would actually do this if it was presented to him properly. And the Dodgers could keep Mannywood.

  11. Badger says:

    Well said guys – all of you.

    I hope he does, but, I don’t expect Manny to come clean. It’s the rare bird that has actually done that. I wonder if they aren’t told to lie by the damn players union. I think there have been two stand-up guys about this whole mess – Giambi and Canseco. The rest of them continue to lie through their $50,000 porcelain veneers. You want the truth? Good luck with that. It hardly exists anywhere you look anymore.

    Having said that, these clowns have to know by now that lame ass excuses like “the doctor made me do it” makes them look small. Don’t they have handlers and agents that work on PR? Just come clean dude, the fans will forgive you. Continue to hide is just cowardly.

    Well put Bill, from high gear to granny in two games. I am still hoping for .500 until the drive-train gets fixed.

  12. Badger says:

    Here is a must read. It was posted on another board by a good friend of mine and a long time Giants fan. It sums the whole thing up in a nice family story:

  13. lawdog says:

    Manny wouldn’t even have to talk about it. He can take the route Torre has given him and just say he’s sorry for disappointing the team and his fans and leave it at that. He can say something like :

    “You can’t unring a bell once you’ve already rung it. Believe me, I would if I could but I can’t”. Show kids how to swing a bat using one of the JP banjo bats as a prop.

    He’d probably need to take a couple of body guards from Las Vegas with him for protection–but they know how to be discrete.

    The free Dodger dogs for the kids will make him instantly forgiven!

  14. lawdog says:

    Ahhh–Venice Glenn’s story! I was going to post a link for that and then, due to advancing age and my exceitement over sending Manny to Mannywood–I forgot.

    Badger is right. That is a must read article for the Bosox fan’s view of Manny, now that he’s been caught cheating. And the effect on the kids. Our kids.

  15. Voldomer says:

    Great story. Just to be sure I’m straight on this, VG posted a link to this somewhere (and is not a secret BoSox fan pretending to like the Giants)?

  16. Mark Timmons says:

    I agree with Miguel and forgiveness, IF Manny has told us the truth. If he has, I will accept him back with open arms.

  17. lawdog says:

    Venice posted the link on the old WorldCrossing site. He came back at one point to talk politics (for which they now have a separate thread) but he decided that trying to engage the Billed One in logical debate was akin to trying to herd cats and he left.

    Ever tried to herd cats?

  18. lawdog says:

    Word on the street is that the Dodgers have plans to make Mover Vin’s color man for games played in Eastern Europe. ;)

  19. Miguel Salcido says:

    That was a fantastic story! I sent it to almost everyone I know, whether they care about sports or not. I get more and more depressed the more I think about it. More so because I have kids, they are very young but still. I can’t imagine what its like to have a 9 year old and to have to explain this, and the rest of what has happened to baseball!

    I quite following baseball after the strike and ignored it completely for the following 4-5 years before finally relenting and taking baseball back into my life. But to hear the entire thing broken down in that manner really helps put things in perspective, and quite frankly makes me nautious. They are right, there was/is a pattern to player’s careers that has to make you wonder, think about it.

    Its unfortunate that now I realize how poorly major league baseball, the player’s union, and everyone else allowed this wonderful game to come to this because they all turned their heads.

    I’ll leave it with this (I am a big fan of quotes if you couldn’t tell):

    “Throughout history it has been the inaction of those who could have acted, the indifference of those who should have known better, the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most, that has made it possible for evil to triumph.” — Haile Selassie

  20. jerry says:

    the dodger need too start to think positive about how good there are..i think they think they cant win without manny..but torie need to build them up again. this is a good team.. and i hope they start to think like one..go dodgers..

  21. lawdog says:

    A thing is neither right nor wrong but thinking makes it so. –Hamlet

  22. lawdog says:

    The word is not the thing. The description is not the described. –Jiddu Krishnamurti

  23. Voldomer says:

    Here’s an interesting article link that I found on Diamond Leung’s blog–speculation from SD that Manny’s suspension money could help LA afford Peavy. Incidentally, Peavy’s contract isn’t that bad after all–Manny’s lost money would pretty much cover it this year, then three years remain (at 15/16/17) with a $4M buyout for 2013. The talent cost, of course, would be the bigger issue.

  24. lawdog says:

    Since the thing for San Diego is a salary dump, I don’t think they’d want any of our players who are veterans or even youngens who are arbitration eligible. It would take most of the prospects we like the most from A and AA.

    Stultz is pitching a gem–no hits through 4 innings and we lead 4-0 Thanks to the bats of Pierre and Castro.

  25. lawdog says:

    5-0 Dogs in the 6th. Stultz has a two hitter going.

    “Some men rob you with a six gun, others rob you with a fountain pen.”

  26. Voldomer says:

    Mark, how close is Lambo to being ready? (I know you consider him the replacement for Loney in the near future.) San Diego reportedly needs to move both Peavy and Adrian Gonzalez, so offering them Lambo as the centerpiece of a Peavy deal then frees them up for the next move.

  27. Mark Timmons says:

    That story is flawed in that Manny’s contract is structured so that the Dodgers only save about $2.5 mil this year. It’s $5 mil less than the article presumes.

    That said, I’d trade Elbert, Leach, Garate, McDonald, May and Hu for Peavy.

  28. Mark Timmons says:

    “My greatest strength lies solely in my tenacity.”

    - Louis Pasteur

  29. Mark Timmons says:

    I got 2 words for you:

    Eric Freakin’ Stults

  30. lawdog says:

    How about Stultz! A 4 hit complete game shutout with Pierre and Castro whacking doubles all over the yard to provide most of the offense.

    The difference between showing kindness to a homeless dog and kindness to a hoimeless man is that the dog won’t come back later and bite you…Mark Twain.

    God created man in his own image and man, being a gentleman, returned the favor.– Samuel Clemons

  31. lawdog says:

    A brave man tastes of death but once…
    But he who turns and runs away, lives to fight another day.

  32. Ed Tolbert says:

    I will go with Mark on this one. If the cheater doesn’t Manny-Up and start telling some
    “painful” truth here he is dead to me. I run a Yahoo fantasy league and guess what I had
    Manny starting in one of my OF slots. I dropped him to the waiver list yesterday and some
    of the young guys emailed me and said “boy are you old school”. I told them you are welcome
    to him but if you take him and win I might withhold 1st place money.


  33. M says:

    He is human and thus he has erred. It would take a giant of a man to spill his guts on this and I have only met a handful of these through my 57 years. Since it’s quote day how about “he who lives in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. As far as him being a cheerleader, I am quite certain that when a player is suspended he is not allowed to use or be present at any MLB facility. I am in no way condoning his actions and I really don’t know how I will feel when and if he does return.

  34. Voldomer says:

    Hmm . . . sudden power surge by a veteran player in his mid-30s.

    Has anyone checked Juan Castro? ;-)

  35. M says:

    When a manager, player, coach or trainer is ejected from a game, he shall leave the field immediately and take no further part in that game. He shall remain in the club house or change to street clothes and either leave the park or take a seat in the grandstand well removed from the vicinity of his team’s bench or bullpen.
    Rule 4.07 Comment: If a manager, coach or player is under suspension he may not be in the dugout or press box during the course of a game.

  36. lawdog says:

    I read somewhere that Manny could hang with the team and practice with the team. He just has to be out of uniform and off the field before the game starts.

  37. Badger says:

    That’s the way to win a ballgame. Keep the bullpen pitchers off the field. A complete game? From the Dodgers? Wow.

    Two more words – Juan Freakin’ Pierre.

    Of course Manny isn’t required to say a thing. He may just shut up from here on out, but somehow I doubt it. We all feel the same on the issue, just fess up and we can all move away from this. Like I said, every team out there has had cheaters on it for a decade so this shouldn’t be that big a deal. He got caught and he is serving his time. The manly thing to do is tell the truth, but I say again, you want the truth? Where do we get the truth anymore? Wall Street is full of it, politicians have been lying like dogs for a long time but have gotten worse in the last few years, the pharmaceutical industry is polluted with liars, the food processing companies are liars, corporations are setting up shop off shore so they don’t have to pay taxes so those shops are bogus, OJ Simpson is a lying murdering bastard that got away with it – pernicious lying is almost fashionable in our society any more. And the reason? – because like many of the quotes above point out, no one takes advantage of you without your permission. We the people are allowing it. We are a “the check is in the mail, I did not have sex with that woman, I am not a crook, if the glove don’t fit” nation. I don’t expect Manny to come clean because he belongs to that elite group of wealthy that is above it all and doesn’t have to tell the truth.

    So, if he just shuts up and serves his time, I am ok with him going back into the Dodger lineup.

    I will say again that I would be extremely surprised to see Jed McJamie cough up the Peavy money.

  38. Badger says:

    Lost yet another post into the L.A. Dodgertalk graveyard.

    I think mover’s filter sometimes just don’t like me.

  39. Miguel Salcido says:

    Manny can be dressed to workout with the team. But as soon as the gates open to the public he cannot be seen in uniform and has to be in street clothes. But I think that he can still be in the clubhouse before and after games.

    Badger, let me see if I can jail break you!

  40. Blue Haze says:

    “Build a fire for a man and he stays warm that night, light a man on fire and he stays warm the rest of his life” …unknown

    Let this Manny thing play out, we don’t know all the facts (and maybe never will) and Manny is going to do his time, he did admit to having an illegal substance in his body, after all.

    If people can plead for Mario’s redemption, then can’t we plead for Manny’s redemption as well.

    Who knows for how long this has been going on with Manny, so far no one is coming out of the woods to do a “tell all”. Time will tell, there is much more to still come out.

    As far as Manny hanging out with the team, he is probably doing his team a favor by not hanging around for right now. Once things die down, I’m sure Manny will be back working out with his boys, he loves it too much.

    I told you guys a few weeks ago to watch out for Zito, that he had been found with a “pulse” as of late. He looked pretty damn focused and tough last night against us, I’m not to sure that the Dodgers were flat or that Zito just shut us down.

  41. Bill Russell says:

    I will forgive Manny but I won’t forget what he’s done. I will welcome him back in July but I won’t buy his jersey. I will welcome him back next year unless he’s dumb enough to opt out of his contract but I won’t buy his wig.

    I just haven’t figured out how I feel about all this yet. I need to find out what really happened and how long or short of a time he’s been doing this. If he’s dumb enough to juice in 2009, he may be dumb enough to opt out in 2010.

    The Dodgers have Manny bobblehead night scheduled for July 22, 2009. Will they change the player before the date or will they stay will the Manny bobblehead complete with a plastic syringe?

    Great win today and the smoke and mirrors of Mr Stults is looking a bit more visible or shall we say unhittable………

    Juan Pierre is making the most of his opportunities so far. Castro is showing that he needs more playing time and Matt Kemp is making some great catches. Big win today and if we can put a rabbit out of the hat tomorrow, there will be no stopping this team.

    Harold come back………………..
    You can blame it all on me
    I was wrong
    and we just can’t live without you


  42. Blue Haze says:

    Feel the man love.

  43. Badger says:

    Well said Bill. It’s ok to not know exactly where you stand on this stuff. How can you make a call when you don’t have all the facts? We may never know the whole story, all we do know is he tested positive for hCG, which is typically used by steroid users to restart their bodies’ natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. So Manny’s people, what drug prescribed by his doctor would have that crap in it? Tell us oh Manny PR dudes. Why would he need that stuff?

    If we can get the pitching, this is still as good a club as there is in the West. I don’t see us as the class of the league, but, we are still pretty good.

    Hey Miguel, looks like you freed my locked up post. Thanks man.

  44. DRomo says:

    Great effort by Stults! He is solid as our true #5. Great job!!!

    As for Manny… you have to wonder what it will be like when he comes back. If the guy has the balls to stand up and address the media and at least his teamates he will save a LITTLE face.

    You know this was supposed to be the year we were all in. The McCourts were all in this time making the deal we all wanted. Even if Manny comes back and is great again and we win it all won’t we all feel a little dirty? The thrill we all felt in ’88 when we wore our championship T-shirts and rubbed it in to our friends will be stolen from us now. That is unless the thought of someone saying “Yeah but you won with that CHEATER” doesn’t bother you.

    I for one am still getting over the heatbreak. The ball is in the McCourts court now. Tell Manny he must address the team and the media. Make him stay in baseball shape by showing up for BP everyday and doing his running. We will welcome you back with open arms. OR LOOK INTO VOIDING HIS CONTRACT! Two can play at this game Manny!

  45. Mark Timmons says:


    I liberated your post. Free at last, free at last, free at last.


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