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If I were Ned, I would fax an offer sheet to Manny’s agent, the Devil, ‘er Scott Borasss, offering 2 years at $50 million with an option year contingent upon 580 AB’s and a .300 BA, as well as a “conduct clause.” The offer would expire Wednesday at midnight. The offer should say that this is the FINAL OFFER and will not be re-visited after then. It’s time to move on and Manny or his agent will make this a circus. Bow out gracefully, Ned and move on. Look, I appreciate what Manny did last year, but that was then, this is now. Manny is a DH waiting to happen and it’s highly unlikely that he’ll duplicate last year. Anyway, I think he want to “stick-it-to” the Red Sox and the Yankees are the obvious choice. Take a hint from the Angels and
move on!
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Like Bill said, there’s greed and then’s there’s MLB greed. These guys live on another planet.
Sounds like I wrote the above entry mover. Manny is a DH waiting to happen, Manny signing with the Yankees just to stick it to the Yankees. I have been saying that for two months. What MLB wants is for Manny to sign with the Yanks and Tex to sign with Boston. As long as those two teams are battling it out, the entire Northeast is watching. MLB knows L.A. will draw 3 million and they think because of these factors all is well.
All is not well. What is happening now, in the U.S. and all over the world is serious business. We are sitting here wondering if $25 million a year is enough while the war goes on and on, the economy is in the toilet, our veterans are being ingnored and we hand over bail-out money to prime more greed.
Boycott MLB. A message to all fans – don’t go to Opening Day. Just don’t show up. Let them play in empty stadiums for a day. Spend your money on your family or donate it to your favorite charity – but don’t pay for these greedy bastards.
Yeah right. Fans are like junkies. Whatever it costs, just give it to me.
Strange times we are living in. Where’s the revolt? Where are the 60′s radicals?
Oh yeah, we are in charge.
YIKES!!! America start your nighmare!
It has already started Haze.
Where have you been?
Oh yeah, in a haze.
Just a reminder, this was written a week ago:
“In the current economic environment, how many executives are comfortable with Manny Ramirez as the face of the franchise? With millions of Americans out of work, and many millions more worried about being out of work, do teams really want to reward Manny Ramirez with one of the biggest annual salaries in the history of the sport? When many of your customers are hanging on to their jobs, do you really want a superstar who seems to take his job for granted?”
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8942808/In-this-market,-it's-hard-to-put-a-value-on-Manny
I think mover is right, give him the take-it-or-leave-it offer and move on.
You are right, it did start long ago, Badger, but that is for another time and place. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well.
Thank you Haze, and same to you.
Yes, it started long ago, and as you know, I saw this all coming and predicted it. Fortunately for my wife and I, we got out in time. We did take some serious hits on our properties, but, are doing better than most.
Hopefully this country will be able to turn this around in the coming years.
As for our Dodgers, my Christmas wish list includes a power hitter, a power G.M., a starting pitcher and a cable deal. Our owner needs some help with the cash flow.
I can’t help on most of those issues Badger, but my son-in-law is the cable guy and he livers near Chavez Ravine. I’d be happy to put in a call and have him hook Fred and Ned up with Comcast HD tv for their living rooms.
mover said the commish won’t let the Dogs have their own cable channel. Now why would the Yankees be allowed something the Dodgers are not?
Oh yeah, they are the Yankees.
I looked for ticket prices for the Ravine for ’09 and couldn’t find them. Boston charges $125 for field box, down to $26 for bleachers. And their capacity is only 35K. Do they have their own cable package?
Yes, they do.
Baseball is ripe for a Salary Cap and the owners need to dig an make it happen. If the Yankees were forced to compete on a level playing field they would be horrible. I wonder how it feels to outspend the Phillies and Rays combined by almost double and still not get to the Series. I guess it really exposes their ineptness!
Ticket Prices for the Ravine 2009
Season Ticket prices
Field Box MVP $75
Infield Box $65
Preferred Field Box $50
Field Box $40
Loge Box MVP $50
Infield Loge Box $40
Preferred Loge Box $30
Loge Box $20
Club $45
Infield Reserve $20
Lower Reserve $14
Reserve $8
Lf Pavillion $8
Top Deck $4
All You Can Eat Pavillion $25
Baseline Box Seats & Suites And Seating behind Home Plate not listed
Thanks Bill. Looks like East Coast tickets may be more costly. And, they sell out in Boston every game.
But, baseline and home plate seating at the Ravine aren’t listed. That is what I was looking for. Are they over $100? I’ll bet they are.
The Yankers make money mover. Lots and lots of money. The value of their franchise is like twice what the Dodgers is.
A level playing field. That would be nice. As for ineptness, they can’t be faulted for not trying.
Homeplate seating/Club seating comes with free food service and programs. They are very very expensive. This is where you see the Hollywood Stars and Tommy Lasorda sit each game. Very secure , separate entry for these seats.
Baseline seating comes with a Wolf Gang Puck catered food, unlimited peanuts and the ability to sit in the new baseline club lounges located on both corners of the field level. These lounges come with large screen TV’s and a Bar/restaurant setting. programs and a table top at your seats are included. They installed these seats in front of where my seats at on the field level season seats. There are about 8-10 rows deep up and down both baselines. They vary in price depending on how close to home plate and if it’s weekday or weekend. Not cheap either. They start at the corner of each dugout and go to the foulpoles.
Luxury Suite pricing is catered for Local Business and I wouldn’t have a clue on the cost.
In searching for ticket prices I did find this. It may have already been posted here, but it bears repeating:
http://www.springtrainingonline.com/teams/la-dodgers-3.htm
I can remember sitting with the seagulls in Anaheim for about $2.50. I think the beer was as much as the tickets. Dodger box seats used to sell for around $4.50 when I first started going as an adult. At least that’s how I remember it. Of course, Koufax and Drysdale had to hold out for a hundred grand and the only t.v. baseball was Channel 11 televising from Candlestick and the NBC Game of the Week.
It’s a whole new paradigm.
In the old days f you wanted to watch the game you had to go to the stadium–except for the occasional game of the week or a series at Candlestick with the Giants. That’s why I learned to love Vin Scully like he was a family member.
Most of the games I saw played in my imagination while listening to Vin call it on the pocket transistor radio I used to sneak into my bedroom and listen to while my parents thought I was sleeping. Every once in a while we’d get a big hit to win a game–or go on top after being down for 8 innings and I’d yell and scream–getting myself busted in the process.
Funny thing is, they never took away the radio. I guess they knew some things were more important to crazed 8 year old Dodger fan than sleep.
This might not be Dodger news, but it’s funnier than hell.
Wanna see a Ram running back punched out by the ref?
http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__10/ept_sports_nfl_experts-572564911-1229972637.jpg?ymeiXhADgs_lL1xh
When officials attack: Umpire lowers the boom on Kenneth Darby By MJD
Sometimes an official, through no fault of his own, will get caught up in the middle of a play and inadvertently make contact with a player. Sometimes an official just feels like making a tackle. Sometimes an official is concerned that a player has been programmed to kill the Queen of England and is forced to take matters into his own hands. Whatever happened yesterday, here are some terrific action shots of NFL umpire Lieutenant Frank Drebin Garth DeFelice taking out Rams running back Kenneth Darby yesterday. Getty Images photographer Dilip Vishwanat was johnny-on-the-spot yesterday, and the world thanks for him for it.
Just say no to Wolfe and sign Sheets, Wolfe is said to have lost at least a yard on his fastball. For this reason he had an era closer to 5.00 than any starter has a right to. If you rely on a change up for your out pitch, you are washed up when you can’t get any giddyup on the old heater. All Wolfe has is off speed stuff and he is worthless as tits on a board. Just my humble opinion.
We need to stay away from that geezer Hoffman for the same reason.
More on the Darby puch out–and a video link as well:
And here’s video of the incident over at BallHype and seven other sports blogs.
Related: St. Louis Rams, NFL Oddness
http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__10/ept_sports_nfl_experts-284743082-1229972648.jpg?ymoiXhAD2GVp03ca
A second picture of the refs TKO of Darby in Sunday’s game against the 49ers (lost 17-16 by the Rams.)
http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__10/ept_sports_nfl_experts-284743082-1229972648.jpg?ymoiXhAD2GVp03ca
Why do you have to have such an insulting title, Manny’s time with the Dodgers was one of the greatest things in Dodger history. He may be a jerk, and selfish, but give him some respect.
I am going to become a bank. Bank of Badger.
I will be a lousy, failing bank with an out of balance balance sheet.
The TARP application for all that dough is two simple pages, less complicated than one you might fill out for that basement apartment over on Crap St..
Manny probably gets another $75 million, Teixeira turns down $160 mil guaranteed, and many fans will be watching games at their local beer halls cuz their Sony’s got repossessed.
I was just about to post the same thing table. Mark sound likes a scorn ex-girlfriend. the guy single handily took us to the nlcs, and now mark bashes him every other day cause he hasn’t signed yet. everybody knows negotiations can drag out till january. he wants to be paid, who can blame him. What you never asked for a raise mark at a job?
I have been pretty consistent at saying we’d be better without Manny. I know how good he is, but I also know how BAD he can be. I don’t think he’s worth the risk, but Table is right, I do need to show him some respect. From now on I shall call him Sir Manny, the punk, selfish, two-faced, self-centered, idiot jerk!
Oh, and Mario, I usually never asked for a raise, I just delivered MORE than I was paid for and the raises followed. It’s amazing how that works.
Uh, mark owns the business there mario. See the U.S. Water Systems logo on the up there at the top of the page?
But, your point about Manny is taken. Sure, if you think Manny deserves a raise, then by all means give it to him. You think he is worth more than $50 million then sign him up.
Oh wait, you’re not McCourpuscle. Sorry, but you really don’t have much of a say in it.
But come on down to Bank of Badger and make a deposit.
LD, my friend who was that poster that wanted us to sign Moyer because he knew how to pitch and his fastball was his changeup and he had an addiditional two changeups?
I can’t remember his name but the comment you made about saying no to Wolfe because he used his change as an out pitch reminded me about that poster that wanted us to sign Moyer(unless he didn’t reaally want us to sign Moyer)
Do you remember who that poster was because ifyou do, you could give him a good talking to about signing veteran pitchers who rely on their change as their out pitch are no good.
Just read on the Dogs mailbag that they cannot have their cable channel for four more years. After that I guess that stipulation with Fox runs out or something.
Ah, good info Gonzo. Thanks.
Hey, is your friend fighting in Vegas soon? My son has tickets to some UFC gig there. Big deal to him. I think it’s kind of barbaric. I tried some boxing in the Marine Corps and learned quickly I didn’t have it. Football was tough enough, those guys are nuts.
Here’s a blurb from the LA Times Blog–an interview with Kurveshaw:
BK: At the end of the season, you had a chance to be in a bullpen with Greg Maddux. Did you guys talk a lot?
Kershaw: I got to talk to him a lot. I can’t believe that was his last year. It’s a pretty good story to tell, that I was around to see his last pitch thrown. I was in the bullpen to see it. He’s a great teacher, and can explain things in a way that other people can’t because he has that first hand experience. He says “Do it like this,” and you look at him and he’s got 355 wins, so you’ve got to take his word for it. I loved talking to him. He just knows so much about pitching, and hopefully he’ll come back and coach somewhere down the road, because he can definitely help a lot of young pitchers out.
BK: And if you ask Maddux, he’ll shrug it off, and say he doesn’t really do much for people in that way. But he really does give away good information?
Kershaw: He wants you to be interested, I think. He’s not going to start randomly talking to you if you’ve never talked to him before, but if you show interest in what he has to say, if you talk to him and ask questions a little bit he’s very open with all the information he has. I had a good time talking to him.
BK: Is it tough to sidle up to Greg Maddux and start asking him questions? It’s Greg Maddux.
Kershaw: At first, we were both starting. That’s when I kind of got to know him, sitting on the bench. At first, I just listened to what he had to say, and listened to other conversations that he had. Finally I just started asking my own questions. But you never just want to go up there as a young kid and take it for granted who you’re talking to. I stood back a little and waited my turn. I just asked him about pitching. What do you think about this situation? What pitch would you throw here? How do you throw this? How do you grip that? It opens up to other things he has to say, and other stories. It’s fun.
BK: What worked for you at the Major League level last year, and what didn’t?
Kershaw: Pretty much what’s always worked. When I throw my fastball for strikes, it dictates how I’m going to pitch that day. Getting the curveball over is obviously important. The changeup didn’t work, really. Sometimes it did, I just didn’t have enough confidence to throw it in big situations. Hopefully that’ll change this year.
BK: Is that a big goal, to add a reliable third pitch?
Kershaw: Yeah. I just have to keep working on it.
BK: When you look at the differences between Major League and Minor League pitching, whether it’s the process of learning to pitch to more contact, or whatever, as someone who piled up strikeouts in the Minor Leagues, is that something you need to learn or adjust to? That you can’t always make people miss in the big leagues?
Kershaw: I don’t think pitching to contact is a good term. I don’t think you let a guy hit a ball. You want him to hit the pitch you want to throw, but it’s not “Okay, here you go, let’s hit it, let’s not strike this guy out.” I don’t think that’s the mindset anyone wants you to have. At the same time, making contact means making a good pitch that he’ll swing at, but not worrying about making the perfect pitch where he’ll swing and miss at. Just make a good, quality pitch pitch and get him out, whether it be a strikeout, a ground ball, or whatever it is.
I think that’s what it means, and I’ve learned that. 0-2, you don’t want to throw three balls and run it to 3-2. You want to make a good pitch and get him out quick to save your pitches.
BK: How hard is to learn pitch preservation, to help you go from the fifth to the seventh?
Kershaw: I think it just takes time. It takes strikes, mainly. The more strikes you get, the more quickly you’ll get outs. Throwing strikes is the main thing.
BK: You mentioned those important firsts. Were there a few that stuck out?
Kershaw: That first start was awesome. I had the family out, and it was great. I pitched fine- I didn’t get the win or anything, but just to be out there and have your dream come true, it’s all you could ever ask for. The first Big League win was a big deal, and the first hit was kind of fun. The first start, I have that ball in a closet somewhere, but the first win and the first hit, they’re somewhere at mom’s house.
BK: Which can you pull up quicker, the first strikeout or the first hit?
Kershaw: Both. The first hit is pretty cool, because it was Albert Pujols. So that’s something I’ll be able to talk about, to give it up to one of the best hitters in the game. (Note: I meant the first hit Kershaw registered as a hitter, but I like that his thought process instead took him to the one he gave up.) The first strikeout was also the first batter I faced, so Skip Schumaker, thank you. Sorry, but I’ll remember that for a while.
BK: And your first hit?
Kershaw: Cole Hamels! It took a while, but I got it. It took a long 15 or 16 at bats, but I finally got it. I’m nothing special as a hitter. As long as you get your bunts down, that’s really all that matters.
BK: Do you pay attention to all the Hot Stove stuff?
Kershaw: Whatever they put on SportsCenter is what I hear. I don’t read a lot of newspapers, but what’s going on doesn’t really affect me, I’ve still got a job to do, but it’s still exciting to hear (all the rumors). “
you still make no sense mark, saying were better off without manny is just plain ignorance. Dude is way better thank anybody we have on our team. and why is he selfish, two-faced,self centered or a jerk. did you see that last year with the dodgers? no! dude you dont even know the guy..
Badger, my buddy already fought on the 13th. He beat Phillipe Nover. He will be at the fight on the 27th though as the coaches for each team on the reality show are going to fight.
Mario,
For two months in his career he has been a good teammate and the rest of the time he’s Manny Being Manny.
Ask any died-in-the-wool Red Sox fan if they’d like to have him back. The answer is NO – they hate him! Why? Becasue he put himself above the team, he faked injuries, wouldn’t play at times, and pushexd down a 64-year-old Red Sox employee.
I cannot tolerate Cowards, and to push a 64-year old man is cowardly! I just wish I had been there to see it, because this 55-year old would have taken Manny out! Maybe you are a gang-banger and think that’s OK, but I think he’s a PUNK and I have no respect for him. Yes, he’s a great player, but once he gets his contract, he’ll turn back into the Bad Manny. People like that don’t suddenly change.
dude im no gangbanger, and Ive seen pictures of you
manny would knock the dog shit out of you
your old and obviously overweight..please
and now you’ve asked every red sox fan if they wanted manny back..
yeah ok, man I hope we sign him so next year when he starts winning games for us in the bottom of the ninth, you’ll start hoping on the manny bandwagon and praising him…what a chump…..
I am hearing reports tonight that Manny has no offers from the Yankees or the Angels. Unless a surprise team like Baltimore or Washington jumps in, he’s coming back to LA. Once he puts on the Dodger uniform again, we all including Mark will be back on the bandwagon. I just think it would be in everyone’s best interest to throw out 3 years to make everyone feel like they won. The Dodgers can use him and if he thinks he won, he will bring back the kind of thunder that our lineup needs. We can trade him to the American League in the three year of his contract when Lambo is ready to take over. Sign Sheets and we basicly have the playoff team we had last year.
I could be excited about this team again.
Furcal SS
Ethier RF
Manny LF
Loney 1B
Kemp CF
Martin C
Blake B
DeWitt/Abreu 2B
Sheets
Billingsley
Kuroda
Kershaw
McDonald/Schmidt
Go Dodgers
Third year- not three year
mario, you are talking out your butt cheeks man. I know mover, and he is in shape and an athlete. If you think being 50 means you no longer have it, there are several 50 year olds I know that would hand you your ass. I think I am one of them. I know mover is.
If it goes more than two rounds, I might take Manny. But, I got mover in the first round and it may not go more than that.
Not sure when the fight is Gonzo, but I think it’s coming up. The kid didn’t say who was in it, but said the tickets were around $300. That’s like box seats at Dodger game prices! Next time we talk I’ll ask him.
Interesting interview with Kershaw. “Throwing strikes is the main thing.”
Amen to that. And he will get the change up. It really isn’t that hard, mechanics and grip. Just make sure if you are going to miss, bounce it. I was still throwing it for strikes in the MABL when I was 52.
We are still in the Manny-stakes until the Yankees decide to enter. Then, we go into the back seat.
4 years til the cable deal. I am on a countdown now.
If Manny re-signs with the Dodgers, I WILL root for him, but I’ll keep my eye on him – I think he will be trouble. Just so you all know, I like to argue a point, sometimes just to see what the response will be. The team is in a state of flux right now, so solid opinions are hard to form. Much of what we write about is conjecture…
Mario,
I’m 6′ 4″ and 245 (I could stand to lose 15 lbs.), but I’m not out of shape. Most people are amazed at how strong I am at 55 (I do admit I’m not as strong as at 35, but I’m much more experienced). The undoing of young guys is generally their overconfidence. I don’t believe a fight should be a long, drawn-out affair, so I generally end them quickly. I have walked shoulder-to-shoulder with the “baddest of the bad” (that’s no lie) and quickly learned that if someone threatens you, you take him out as the words leave his mouth. I promise you, I would have put Manny on the ground and if he got up again, well we’d just have to see what happens then.
A while back, I had fired a guy and he stormed into my office demanding his check. I told him he would get it on Friday as we used a payroll service. He said that if I didn’t give it to him right then, he was going to get his gun from his truck and shoot me. When he turned to go to his truck, I followed him, (I just didn’t think it was a good idea to sit there and let him shoot me). When he got to the door of his truck, I was standing right beside him and he said, “What are you doing?” My reply was that “If you hand touches that door handle I will break your arm off!” He never did touch the door handle and the police arrived shortly – I guess he knew I would have done it. So, maybe Manny would kick my butt, but I’m from Missouri…
Gonzo,
I had forgotten why McCourt couldn’t have a TV network – 4 more years! Frank is counting the days…
It shoulds like Clayton has his head screwed on straight….
Sounds like a cage match is in the future for Mario v. Mark. (okay you are both lunkheads for “proving you’re bad ass” on a posting board, no less. LMAOROF)
Anyone care to argue, who was the best hitter on your T-ball squad?
I was!
I can outhit any 4-year old.
So, you admit they proved they are both bad asses.
And what’s with all the letters? I think they must stand for Lazy Mean Angry Obdurate Really Old & Fat.
I got mario against you. And, we can’t let you in the ring with mover. There isn’t enough insurance available for that.
More Mannyness:
“Ramirez should be easier to land, too, especially if the talk that Dodger owner Frank McCourt is too leveraged to spend big turns out to be right.”
http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/11187598/1
Gonzo–There is a huge difference between a pitcher who uses a change up as an out pitch which is set up by a good fastball, and a pitcher like Moyer, who in the tradition of Preacher Roe, never had a fastball at all but has three or four different speeds and breaks on a changeup.
Just as the brain dead heavers (Neidenfuhr, et. al.), like Broxton today, changed speeds on their fastballs by throwing harder, Moyer and Roe changed speeds by throwing softer and softest off the soft pitch to begin with. Like knuckleballers, they are only effective because there are so few of them. Unlike knuckleballers, they are usually left handed and have at least three different variations on the change up while a knuckle ball pitcher has just the one pitch to go with an 81 mph fastball.
Moyer tosses as many junk pitches as Stu Miller or Preacher Roe. He wouldn’t throw his 82 mph fastball to an 88 year old peg legged grandmother with Hu’s eye problems. Not unless he could load it up with a foreign substance or rub it down with sandpaper so it would do magic tricks on it’s way to the plate.
But Moyer can still get people out at his age ther same way he could when he was a young man–just like Stu Miller and Preacher Roe–because all he has an array of junk thrown to different locations at different speeds.
Wolfe, like Hoffman, is a fastball pitcher who uses his off speed stuff to get outs by keeping the hitter off balance. When your fastball loses a yard it comes in at approximately the same speed as your change up or slider and it no longer can set up anything but a high pitch slow softball pitched underhand.
If you enjoyed watching Pimpdaddy Perez get his ass handed too him when he lost a yard on his fastball making both his slider and once excellent change gopher balls–you’ll love the 09 versions of Hoffman and Wolfe. Just say know to geezers who have become washed up shells of their former selves.
I’m pretty sure a young version of Rocky Marciano could beat the crap out of an old man like me–but not before I blackened one of his eyes, bloodied his nose and got a good gut shot in on my way to the ground.
Nevertheless, I know I could out argue Borass with one hand tied behind my back–and make him cry like a little girl in the process.
Wow, we are all a little ficty in here today. I once beat Reggie Miller one on one back in the day. Now today, I would throw my back out shooting a jumper.
Now that we’ve all displayed our ego’s in here day, What about just putting a 3 year deal out there with a take it or leave it time limit attached? Romo is telling me on the other site today, Why negotiate with yourselfs? I see his point but I’m not buying a car or furniture. We are purchasing a human with feelings and an ego. Don’t we all win with a three year deal? He gets more then he had with Boston and We get a happy power hitter for three years. What are your thoughts?
Troncoso has learned how to throw an excellent curveball and he’s been en fuego in Winterball. He’s 3-0 having pitched 16 innings, given up 14 hits, walked one and struck out eleven.
That gives him a fabulous bull WHIP of less than 1.0–better than Ben Sheets last year, but Ben pitched 198.2 innings instead of 16.
But Troncoso has not pitched since 11/29. That’s damn near a month. Anybody know whassup with this kid?
His line through 11/29:
3 0 2.25 0 16.0 14 4 1 11
Damn Yankees!
Got that right Michael:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8983320/Source:-Yankees-agree-in-principle-on-deal-with-Teixeira
Ken Rosenthal reports the Yankees have reached an agreement in priciple with Teixera. Also, the Angels have absolutely no interest in Manny. So, I guess Manny doesn’t have the value he perceives himself to have. I expect it is time he makes an offer to the Dodgers, unless he wants to play in Washington or Baltimore. Bargaining is supposed to be offer, counter offer, meet in the middle, isn’t it?
Boras seems to think it is teams bargaining against each other, or in A-Rod’s case, against itself.
I really don’t want an unhappy Manny on board.
GO DODGERS!!
And hey Bill, I have never been ficty in my life!
At least, I don’t think so.
Well, maybe. Once. Back in Okinawa. I think that’s what she said anyway.
mark teixeria.has a prelimiuary agreed with the yankee,s for 180m,
Anyone but me think the Angels are a good fit for Manny now? He could DH the last year, or two, and the Orange County L.A. haters would love that move.
I think Manny fits well in Anaheim but they signed Rivera to a 3 year deal, they are targeting Fuentes and don’t have the money to sign Manny after that. They have big contracts in the outfield with Matthews Jr, Hunter, Guerrero, and Rivera. Add to that Willits is a pretty good outfielder too. Manny is too much of a character for that vanilla team. Scoiscia doesn’t like to share the spotlight down there his ego doesn’t allow it. Manny isn’t going to Anaheim of Disneyland.
I think the Dodgers are in perfect position now. Manny has very little choice but to comeback to LA. The Dodgers could sweeten the deal with either a third year or $25 mil per to let Manny save face but where else can he go?
1. Washington/Baltimore? They have the money but Manny will never be seen. Manny loves the spotlight too much to live in baseball hell.
2.NY Mets? The Wilpon family (the owners) just lost $300 million in the Madoff Wall St. scheme, and have said after Frankie Rodriguez they can not afford another high salary.
3. Toronto? Again small stage, I don’t see it.
4. Florida? Big latin community, Manny would probably love that but with the mix of young talent and knowing Hanley Ramirez will command big bucks in arbitration soon, how can they justify shelling out big bucks to Manny now and not the star SS?
I love how this has played out, See you at Camelback Ranch Manny!
1. Don’t think the Yankees won’t offer Manny a 2 year deal with an option year; and
2. The Angels need Manny – he’s perfect as a DH;
3. We still have a shot
Reagins is says that Manny will never play for the Angels. Hummm….
Why is that?
Do you think it’s because they like guys with character.
I still say NO TO MANNY!
We can sign Hudson and Abreu for less than we would pay Manny!
I say we give Manny the 3 yr take it or leave it offer you (Mark) proposed. Sure there are character issues with Manny, but lets face it, Boston created the “Manny being Manny” culture. They made him a spoiled brat and then tried to tighten the reigns. That is not excusing Manny’s behavior he is a grown man but that situation has nothing to do with us. With guys like Bowa and Torre I don’t think Manny could be an A-hole here and get away with it.
So let me just say: I would like Manny back but I don’t think we are dead without him.
I heard on XM MLB Channel today
Without him (Manny) the Dodgers are favorites in the West, With him the Dodgers may be the favorites in the NL.
Tough call.
I agree with every point you just made Romey.
But Matthews Jr. and Juan Rivera? Please. I suppose one of them has to stay, maybe they would dump Matthews somehow, but a lineup of Vlad, Hunter, Napoli, Figgins and Manny would be very good. The Angels did win 100 last year. And think of the press the Angels would get scooping the Dodgers. I know Reagins just said “no way” but, I don’t believe anything until the talking is done.
Listen, I hope it doesn’t happen, but, if it did, it would be the talk of Southern California for a long time. The stands would fill up and that young team would likely play a lot better.
Time for Fred to just get it done before something crazy happens.
“We can sign Hudson and Abreu for less than we would pay Manny!”
If we don’t get Manny – then I am ok with those two.
There is just no better hitter available and that is what this team needs.
And a starting pitcher.
And maybe a 2b.
But we have a utility infielder.
I see manny signing with us now more than before..
get ready to jump on the bandwagon…..
like russell said, sign sheets next and we got the same playoff team as last year…I would take that over dunn, wolf and hudson…